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The start of the season has been tragic. The team have under performed. We have under performed. Yes, we the fans. You, me, the whole fucking load of us.

Already many of us are eyeing up the next man to disappoint us but I’d like to offer a different option.

The end of last season, the same team that let us down too often, gets backed rabidly for the last 12 games and picks up some of the most satisfying wins and performances we’ve seen in years.

There we are, gutted the season finished and already chomping at the bit to see the squad improved and for us to take that momentum from last year into this season. Although we lost Gana, I thought the summer went well. Clearly letting Jags go was a mistake but who knows how close we were to signing a decent centre half with less miles on the clock.

Now here we are. Things don’t go our way for the first portion of the season. Missed opportunity after missed opportunity. The team aren’t the only missed opportunity.

Our stands at the end of last season showcased everything we could be again. We looked a scary prospect for any away team to play against. Yet this season, once again, we lost that desperate encouragement and energy we had and replaced it with this expectancy to paste teams with ease. That lasted 5 minutes and was quickly replaced with a disdain for a team struggling with out of the gate.

I thought we would have learned as a fan base how just much of an effect we have on the players.

Plenty of teams ARE dropping points. It’s October. Imagine where we could be if Goodison sounded like the last 12 games of last season every week from now on? I’m not saying we would win every game, but it wouldn’t fucking hurt us. What’s the point in giving up now and getting shut of Silva?

It’s bollocks.

Get behind every last one of them, players and manager alike, every week like it’s the last game Everton game you’ll ever get to watch. That ground can light a fire under any team but we forget it week-in and week-out.

Also just a friendly reminder. We are in a dangerous place and further destabilising the club could lead to the possibility of swigs warm lager, a season where Liverpool win the league and we get relegated. Fuck that.

  1. Having watched lots of premier league games on TV over the last 3-4 years, I think I can honestly say Goodison is probably the quietest stadium in the league (with the etihad being our closest rival for the soulless silence award). The only time there is any sort of noise is after we score, and a couple of everton, everton, everton refrains. Our stadium is not hostile, despite fans being very close to the pitch. I don’t know why pundits like gary Neville and Carragher still come off with the c*ap that goodison is a very difficult and hostile stadium for teams to come and play at. Fans at so called ‘smaller’ teams like palace, wolves, Leicester, Norwich, brighton really put our supporters to shame. There is always a constant buzz around these and most other prem league stadiums. Goodison sounds like an empty church for lengthy spells of games.

    even when we are winning you can hear a pin drop around goodison most of the time. our fans need to make more noise, whether it’s encouraging the team on or squealing at them for playing c*ap. Just make some noise rather than the ambivalence and apathy which is has been enveloping goodison over the last 3-4 years.

    Goodison has always been a church for most games against average teams.

    The place bounces v Liverpool, cup games and other important games, especially at night.

    I personally like it that way.

    The constant noise at places like Palace when its 0-0 v Middlesborough is annoying anf childish. A bit like a hippy protest or a bunch of 6 year old kids on break. Making noise for no reason is a big NO here,

  2. Where I sit in the Gladwys Street I’m quite happy when the atmosphere is not great. When it’s bouncing and everyone is up singing, from the back row of the lower Gladwys i can’t see a bloody thing. The good thing about the atmosphere there is, it keeps the noise in.

    I honestly think, the atmosphere in the ground is the least of our worries.
    Not defending set pieces properly still, sideways passing, crap delivery in the box, starting frauds such as Gylfi and Morgan are much more of an issue. Oh that all comes down to the manager. Sort them out, you may get a better atmosphere.

  3. Lots of players of limited capability have received great support from the crowd over the years. They tend to be the ones who leave everything on the pitch. Mick Lyons is a good example,would run through walls and never gave less than 100% .Our current squad would appear to want plaudits for putting their shirts on the right way round.
  4. I only get to the game about 4 times a season and the atmosphere can be frustrating as hell. I really want to get into it but I’m on my own if I get too vocal…and I don’t wanna be THAT guy.

    Thing is because I’m only there a few times a season I build up a lot of enthusiasm. I guess if I was watching shocking performances every other week then the novelty would wear thin and I’d probably be fed up like the rest.

    Saying that: in the late 90’s when I had a season tickets I seem to remember the atmosphere being consistently better. Perhaps I’m just romanticising the memory.

  5. it’s quiet when we aren’t playing well like, but when we are playing well I think it’s sound ( and obviously the odd games its a belter )

    just don’t get the whole the atmosphere affects us bollox though, we have amazing vocal away fans so why is our away form absolutely terrible then?

    Good point. Never thought of this.

  6. Having watched lots of premier league games on TV over the last 3-4 years, I think I can honestly say Goodison is probably the quietest stadium in the league (with the etihad being our closest rival for the soulless silence award). The only time there is any sort of noise is after we score, and a couple of everton, everton, everton refrains. Our stadium is not hostile, despite fans being very close to the pitch. I don’t know why pundits like gary Neville and Carragher still come off with the c*ap that goodison is a very difficult and hostile stadium for teams to come and play at. Fans at so called ‘smaller’ teams like palace, wolves, Leicester, Norwich, brighton really put our supporters to shame. There is always a constant buzz around these and most other prem league stadiums. Goodison sounds like an empty church for lengthy spells of games.

    even when we are winning you can hear a pin drop around goodison most of the time. our fans need to make more noise, whether it’s encouraging the team on or squealing at them for playing c*ap. Just make some noise rather than the ambivalence and apathy which is has been enveloping goodison over the last 3-4 years.

    There are 2 types of atmosphere at Goodison, one for the majority of games which you rightly say is one of, if not the quietest in the league. Then there are the bigger games where the bigger sides come, like United and Liverpool which they both played for. They’re obviously going to think that Goodison was hostile to come to. Neville got sent off for kicking a ball in to the crowd as he couldn’t handle the nature of the atmosphere when they were losing.

    I always find it interesting that players of lesser clubs still comment on the atmosphere even when the away fans have outsung us for the whole game and the atmosphere has been dead. It’s because the fans are so close to the pitch unlike at other grounds. And is why when things aren’t going well, the negativity can spread to the players as they can hear the groans and comments.

    But despite that, whilst we could improve our atmosphere against the lesser sides, it’s not down to the fans to get the players going, to put in good performances and to get wins. That should be an additional helping hand they get, not the main factor. The players and manager are the ones who are to blame for our situation and they are the ones who need to get us out of this mess. It doesn’t look like Silva will be able to do it.

  7. If you’re scared of fan reaction then you haven’t got an ounce of competitive spirit and are not focused on your ‘kin job…which would explain a lot.

    It’s not us against you, you spineless wonders…blaming fans is a protection game. All the fans are doing is letting you know you’re getting your arse handed to you…man up; compete.

  8. The only thing I agree with in the article is that yes the ground can give the players an extra edge when it’s at its best, but when it’s not like that, it is not the fans fault, it could simply be that the game is a bit dull and we are waiting for that spark from the players, after all they are the sportsmen competing and should be fired up anyway to win, that in turn will get a reaction from the crowd.
  9. The article is completely right. I’ve not done my job as a fan. I’m resigning immediately and getting a full LFC kit to continue my career as a football fan elsewhere.
  10. This is what’s wrong with our fans.

    This isn’t the right mentality. We go every game home and away and we’re always outsung. We sit in silence and then some absolute weapons even clap the team off against Burnley.

    Yes, we travel in numbers, but our away support is garbage. Our fans should be going mental at our striker coming off at 65 mins 1-0 down, instead it’s a shrug of the shoulders.

    The players should hear us backing them from the stand.

    It’s their job to motivate us, but clapping them off after Burnley? lol

    It’s their job to win games and entertain us, it’s hard to clap and sing when they aren’t doing that.

    They are a disgrace the players and they dont deserve to be sang about. If I could I’d go around to each players house and just boo dead loud through the letterbox

    In agreement with clapping them off at Burnley though, no idea what the fans where playing at doing that if they did

  11. the fans haven’t disappointed

    we turn up everyweek regardless of how turd we are, every single week

    we do our job, it’s time for the players to do theirs

    This is what’s wrong with our fans.

    This isn’t the right mentality. We go every game home and away and we’re always outsung. We sit in silence and then some absolute weapons even clap the team off against Burnley.

    Yes, we travel in numbers, but our away support is garbage. Our fans should be going mental at our striker coming off at 65 mins 1-0 down, instead it’s a shrug of the shoulders.

    The players should hear us backing them from the stand.

    It’s their job to motivate us, but clapping them off after Burnley? lol

  12. It’s my generations Dad’s generation that are to blame, so if your in your late 40’s/50’s/60’s now I mean YOU

    Giving it all “typical Everton we’re always so unlucky” bla bla when all yous growing up was thinking we were gonna every week an a trophy every other year

    Look what you’ve done, inferiority complex in this club and fan base top to bottom

  13. Having watched lots of premier league games on TV over the last 3-4 years, I think I can honestly say Goodison is probably the quietest stadium in the league (with the etihad being our closest rival for the soulless silence award). The only time there is any sort of noise is after we score, and a couple of everton, everton, everton refrains. Our stadium is not hostile, despite fans being very close to the pitch. I don’t know why pundits like gary Neville and Carragher still come off with the c*ap that goodison is a very difficult and hostile stadium for teams to come and play at. Fans at so called ‘smaller’ teams like palace, wolves, Leicester, Norwich, brighton really put our supporters to shame. There is always a constant buzz around these and most other prem league stadiums. Goodison sounds like an empty church for lengthy spells of games.

    even when we are winning you can hear a pin drop around goodison most of the time. our fans need to make more noise, whether it’s encouraging the team on or squealing at them for playing c*ap. Just make some noise rather than the ambivalence and apathy which is has been enveloping goodison over the last 3-4 years.

    You do realize the mics are pointed at the away fans, right?

  14. Having watched lots of premier league games on TV over the last 3-4 years, I think I can honestly say Goodison is probably the quietest stadium in the league (with the etihad being our closest rival for the soulless silence award). The only time there is any sort of noise is after we score, and a couple of everton, everton, everton refrains. Our stadium is not hostile, despite fans being very close to the pitch. I don’t know why pundits like gary Neville and Carragher still come off with the c*ap that goodison is a very difficult and hostile stadium for teams to come and play at. Fans at so called ‘smaller’ teams like palace, wolves, Leicester, Norwich, brighton really put our supporters to shame. There is always a constant buzz around these and most other prem league stadiums. Goodison sounds like an empty church for lengthy spells of games.

    even when we are winning you can hear a pin drop around goodison most of the time. our fans need to make more noise, whether it’s encouraging the team on or squealing at them for playing c*ap. Just make some noise rather than the ambivalence and apathy which is has been enveloping goodison over the last 3-4 years.

  15. He has a point.

    The same fans crying over everything are the ones in the summer acting like Geordies with the " Brands take what he wants " shouts and " We should be top before we play City "

    We have acted like self entitled brats thinking we will be boss.

    Now we seem deluded , especially when talking about that lot across the park. Just look in that thread in world football, they are average according to our fans. VAR is helping them to win the league ( Before the season started it was going to stop them being top 4 ) The media , refs and media are conspiring to get them to win. The latest one is that they are on magic drugs which stops the players getting injured.

    We used to laugh at RAWK with its wild conspiracy stories about United and why they kept winning, we are the new RAWK.

  16. Nothing what I said there is "garbage"

    I’ve asked the member to be constructive in comments to an article, "hahahaha" isn’t constructive.

    I said managers had credited home atmosphere for nervy/bad performances.

    I said how it wouldn’t really ring true under Silva because despite him and the club captain often saying we need to be braver on/off the ball and not be nervous, our home form has been good.

    So, which bit was garbage?

    I think expectations of the fans can run very high and we can be a positive factor, but sadly the team in the main bring them expectations crashing down to earth.
    I think we are so desperate to win or challenge, we want to see progression and a style of football that we can relate too
    Sadly Silva has offered very little and blame is on his door step not the fans

  17. He has a point.

    The same fans crying over everything are the ones in the summer acting like Geordies with the " Brands take what he wants " shouts and " We should be top before we play City "

    We have acted like self entitled brats thinking we will be boss.

    Now we seem deluded , especially when talking about that lot across the park. Just look in that thread in world football, they are average according to our fans. VAR is helping them to win the league ( Before the season started it was going to stop them being top 4 ) The media , refs and media are conspiring to get them to win. The latest one is that they are on magic drugs which stops the players getting injured.

    We used to laugh at RAWK with its wild conspiracy stories about United and why they kept winning, we are the new RAWK.

    LMAO The tin foil hat gang are superb, They come up with something new every week.
    I don’t think we’re entitled but I think we overhype our expectations, I think we fall into that trap every year we buy what seemingly seem like good players and it all goes sour quickly.

  18. He has a point.

    The same fans crying over everything are the ones in the summer acting like Geordies with the " Brands take what he wants " shouts and " We should be top before we play City "

    We have acted like self entitled brats thinking we will be boss.

    Now we seem deluded , especially when talking about that lot across the park. Just look in that thread in world football, they are average according to our fans. VAR is helping them to win the league ( Before the season started it was going to stop them being top 4 ) The media , refs and media are conspiring to get them to win. The latest one is that they are on magic drugs which stops the players getting injured.

    We used to laugh at RAWK with its wild conspiracy stories about United and why they kept winning, we are the new RAWK.

    re brands, he had a good start to the window the Kean and gomes and delph coming in, it was how it ended selling gueye and not replacing zouma, getting in zaha and another CM etc

    it’s like the business he does it good but he doesn’t do enough of it, same as last year getting in digne mina etc but then not signing a striker

    it’s one step forward and then 2 steps back

  19. He has a point.

    The same fans crying over everything are the ones in the summer acting like Geordies with the " Brands take what he wants " shouts and " We should be top before we play City "

    We have acted like self entitled brats thinking we will be boss.

    Now we seem deluded , especially when talking about that lot across the park. Just look in that thread in world football, they are average according to our fans. VAR is helping them to win the league ( Before the season started it was going to stop them being top 4 ) The media , refs and media are conspiring to get them to win. The latest one is that they are on magic drugs which stops the players getting injured.

    We used to laugh at RAWK with its wild conspiracy stories about United and why they kept winning, we are the new RAWK.

  20. I pay 41 quid every week to watch that shower of shoite in an obstructed view. I’ll clap and sing but when they stroll around and not even bother marking people on set pieces I’ll boo all I want.

    Every season it’s the same old crap about blaming the fans. With travel, confectionary and ticket prices all in, it’s costs a small fortune. I will boo or shout at them all I want after spending my hard earned cash on them.

  21. The age of super bloos is no more.

    The fact that people still bother to turn up while we’re being spanked by championship teams week after week is more than the club should be expecting.

    Mood around the club at the start of the season was bouncing, and using the inane reason that we play based on how the fans behave would leave you to believe we should have won each and every single game.

    If watching Delph kick balls out of play, Sigurddson hide for 90 minutes, Richarlison spend 60% of his time sulking and the other 40% on the floor, Silva setting us up with 2 CDMs at home and pissing goals left right and centre to lower league grocks is meant to be enjoyed and cheered then maybe yeah, we’re all crap fans for not supporting it

  22. The start of the season has been tragic. The team have under performed. We have under performed.

    Full article here: https://www.grandoldteam.com/2019/10/09/fan-influence/

    Commendations for writing this up, but I don’t agree with the premise.

    I think support for Everton both at home and away, and in general, has been magnificent for as long as I have been supporting the club, over 35 years.

    I don’t always expect us to win (hardly!) and don’t always expect entertainment either.

    But I do expect, and frequently don’t get, more than the sort of tepid, turgid, plain boring performances that have been continually served up to a paying and supremely loyal fanbase.

    I don’t enjoy watching us, and it seems players don’t much like playing for us either, in large part.

    Some of that is on each player, and some is on the manager, who bears the ultimate responsibility for the team and formation he puts out.

    If it was on us fans, our support would lead the team to the title each year.

    It’s for the millionaires to step us, not the fans.

  23. The start of the season has been tragic. The team have under performed. We have under performed.

    Full article here: https://www.grandoldteam.com/2019/10/09/fan-influence/

    I actually thought that city game was our best performance and we would kick on, however, that Burnley game was several steps back.
    That performance deserves distain given the context. So it’s the player’s (team) that need show us, why don’t deserve some negative heckling…

  24. Yeah , I find that base language undermines any constructive debate .
    Apart from that I did enjoy reading it although I have to disagree with most of it .
    I don’t think a sacking would destabilise us . A refusal to change tactics or man manage those who are not performing like our fans rightly deserve does make things shaky.

    Swearing doesn’t bothr me per se, but a public article, it comes across a bit crass.

  25. Try not swearing if you are writing articles for people, we have young fans as well.

    Silva OUT!

    Yeah , I find that base language undermines any constructive debate .
    Apart from that I did enjoy reading it although I have to disagree with most of it .
    I don’t think a sacking would destabilise us . A refusal to change tactics or man manage those who are not performing like our fans rightly deserve does make things shaky.

  26. Thing is, it doesnt take much for the fans to get behind the team. High press, few decent tackles, work rate usually has Goodison like a bear pit. It’s an identity thing that the fans relate to. It’s always worked.

    Absolutely, show a bit of commitment and the fans always back that player, go hiding on the pitch they will let them know too, we’ve had to many bottlers in the squad for about 10 years now

  27. Thing is, it doesnt take much for the fans to get behind the team. High press, few decent tackles, work rate usually has Goodison like a bear pit. It’s an identity thing that the fans relate to. It’s always worked.
  28. The fans are not to blame for us being this rubbish.

    They probably could help more in turning us from a decent side to a good side but the team has to give them something to get behind first.

  29. ….the fans of this football club are fantastically loyal given they continue to follow their team home and away with little or no reward from the team.

    Another factor is the continued success of our neighbours. It matters even if we don’t think it does. Amazing supporters.

  30. REading this I am dreaming…If only the words of Whacko Jacko were true:
    It’s black, it’s white
    It’s tough for you to get by (yeah, yeah, yeah)
    It’s black, it’s white
    In fact its not. The reason we have poor results is not entirely down to the Goodison atmosphere nor is the converse true.
    The internet is a fun place where it is either black or white.. as humans we should be able to take input from various sources, think, synthesize the facts and offer reasoned discussion. The internet doesn’t offer that. I hate to see humans, and blues in particular, reduced to sub-human thoughtless polarization. not just on this topic.
  31. I think if you look at the clubs performance over the last couple of decades , many false dawns, many cases of one step forward and two or three back, overhype leading to egg on the face for some, it’s bound to have an effect on a person or persons.

    Cynicism grows with these things, the “Oh here we go again” feeling and it’s happening again this season. Why do you think there is excitement yet a lingering sense of apprehensiveness with about the stadium? Three failed ground moves in succession will do that to people and trolls have been playing on that with the WhatsApp nonsense this week which even made the lead architect to call it out.

    The fans turn out and in numbers, I look at the away following in particular. If the club did become successful just imagine what it would be like. I get the sense some are desperate to praise and be genuinely excited and when there isn’t much going on to feel like that what else is there? Why lie to yourself?

    You make a good point about being supportive, I get that, within that though you shouldn’t lie to yourself either. Being critical isn’t always a bad thing, it can help things get better, improve and learn from. Personally I’d rather have constructive criticism than apathy. The club would crap itself if real apathy crept in large numbers and they know it. Every fan base has the more sycophantic or total gloom element to it. Not everyone is the same.

    As for Liverpool, if they win the league then our fans might wake up a bit. It shouldn’t be about them anyway it should be about us, us doing better, us winning things and having the ambition and talent from top to bottom to do so.

    It’s easy to take plaudits, criticism seems more difficult.

  32. The fans who think it’s anyone else’s fault other than Silva and the players are the ones that are the problem. Not the fans who don’t cheer when we play terribly each week.
  33. What a ridiculous article.

    It’s supposed to be entertainment. What I watch on a weekly basis if far from entertaining. We have a right, as a consumer to be dissatisfied. We have a right to complain and moan. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum?! Trading standards may need to have a look at this!!

    Had more fun this week watching the gas engineer service the combi boiler.

  34. And thats all they do, Goodison has been as drearily quiet for about 10 years now. I personally blame the Park End meffs.

    it’s quiet when we aren’t playing well like, but when we are playing well I think it’s sound ( and obviously the odd games its a belter )

    just don’t get the whole the atmosphere affects us bollox though, we have amazing vocal away fans so why is our away form absolutely terrible then?

  35. Sorry m8 you’ve typed out a load of a nonsense, Have you seen our results? Have you seen how the manager is setting the team up and the way we’re playing? How can ANYONE get behind that it’s absolutely awful to watch chuck in embarrassing results to boot like the Sheff United performance why should people be happy with this?
    The manager sets the tone with his selection and way of playing and he’s absolutely messed it up big time and people are unhappy and rightfully so.
  36. The football is dire,there’s nothing exciting happening on the pitch side to side passing,there’s no quick ball we never really score an exciting break away goal the crowd respond to entertaining quick moving high pressing football that’s what we need,
  37. The fans can certainly have an influence but its a 2 way street and even the most die hard fans can only take so much codswallop especially if their enthusiastic support is having no effect at all. The fact is though that these professional football players are earning more in a week than most people earn in several years and they should be able to at the bare minimum consistently perform at the best of their abilities even in an empty stadium, never mind a full one. Putting some onus on to the fans has become a common way of reducing responsibility from over paid under performing professionals.
  38. There’s been nothing wrong with the atmosphere at Goodison this season. The players were being supported even when down against City and got applauded off. The players just haven’t responded to it. Post Wolves game everyone was buzzing and then they went and produced the Sheffield United performance. Nothing at all to do with atmosphere. Just crap players being crap.

    They whistle and boo in the Bernabeu yet their players don’t often have problems performing. Stoke and Palace have great ultras yet it isn’t helped either particularly.

    It’s a cop out by an unambitious board and poor managers. ‘It was the atmosphere’. Grow up. If these clowns put more than two passes together half the crowd are purring. People were up clapping for a tackle the other week. We’re given absolutely nothing though.

  39. Nothing what I said there is "garbage"

    I’ve asked the member to be constructive in comments to an article, "hahahaha" isn’t constructive.

    I said managers had credited home atmosphere for nervy/bad performances.

    I said how it wouldn’t really ring true under Silva because despite him and the club captain often saying we need to be braver on/off the ball and not be nervous, our home form has been good.

    So, which bit was garbage?

    Sorry I should have wrote that better

    Garbage from Martinez and Koeman or whoever blaming the atmosphere for poor performances

    when goodison is good its very good, when it’s quiet it’s ALWAYS because what they are seeing on the pitch is awful

    for example the home game against sheff utd was pretty quiet but that’s because we were awful, it’s hard to get going when what we are seeing is that bad, are we blaming the fans being quiet for conceding the set piece goal against sheff utd?

    things improve on the field I think the fans follow suit

  40. garbage that mate, we was quality last season at home and Koemans first season we won like 8 in a row

    absolute cop out from poor performances to blame the fans

    Nothing what I said there is "garbage"

    I’ve asked the member to be constructive in comments to an article, "hahahaha" isn’t constructive.

    I said managers had credited home atmosphere for nervy/bad performances.

    I said how it wouldn’t really ring true under Silva because despite him and the club captain often saying we need to be braver on/off the ball and not be nervous, our home form has been good.

    So, which bit was garbage?

  41. Please try and be constructive…

    I think it’s also worth noting that successive Everton managers have said Goodison’s atmosphere is a factor in poor form – both Martinez and Koeman spoke about players being nervous to perform.

    Though equally, our home form last season was good for Silva.

    garbage that mate, we was quality last season at home and Koemans first season we won like 8 in a row

    absolute cop out from poor performances to blame the fans

  42. Nah mate, you can wind up the siren, give out the flags, play ice hockey der, der, der, der, organ music,Dancing Homer but just like the Club its self, it all eventually must come from the top down. Or in the fans case, from the pitch out to the fans and back again.
    However small there must be positive stuff from the players to feed back through the loop.
    You get neutral, leaning toward dementor / negative stuff on the pitch and the crowd think here we go again.They all mostly know that Silva incarnation of groundhog day needs to end and off we go again with EFC version of 6.00am and sonny and cher.

    When you get your own away fans singing the ‘sacked in the morming’ song, then its time to press the rest button.

  43. the fans haven’t disappointed

    we turn up everyweek regardless of how turd we are, every single week

    we do our job, it’s time for the players to do theirs

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