Would you want our new manager to celebrate mediocrity?

[Lanolin]

I have to say, I found the Klopp video interesting.

There are many on here and on social media who love to push the narrative that Everton fans aren't demanding enough; that we accept defeat too readily and are just happy to be there rather than actually expecting success. We need to be more like Liverpool fans, apparently, who will not tolerate being second best. The story goes that if we just acted like they do, we'd suddenly start winning loads of stuff. And yet here we are with them a) not winning anything, and b) seemingly be quite content to have just enjoyed the ride. How does this fit in with what we're always told?

 

[Ihaters]

I put yes just because it's such a biased thread I thought I would play devils advocate.
Also I would love us to raise ourselves to the level of mediocre, it means we have made massive strides forwards.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

Cup final appearances get you the same as a first round knockout, you still end up with nothing

I for one would just be happy in the CL, never mind getting to the final!

The journey counts too.

Are we so deluded that we can't acknowledge what a run that was? They scored goals, played attacking football and are strengthening further for next season. Meanwhile, we go through mediocre manager after mediocre manager, buy mediocre players, play mediocre football and have a motto we blatantly don't adhere to.

Should be Nil Satis Mediocritas.

 

[brieverton]

I don't know why managers continue to over-complicate in matters as simple as this.

The plan should be to win the next game. Very simple and clichéd, but true nonetheless. If you fail to do so, move on to the next opponent.

On a broader level, there is relative success and absolute success, and leagues within leagues. I do think managers need to be given some benchmark against which progress or the lack thereof is measured, but that should be an internal thing. In our case, Brands and Silva should be having that discussion soon.

It doesn't mean that you are limited by that yardstick, but there is a bottom line in place against which they can be assessed. There seems to be a attitude at Everton that 7th is good enough, it may be realistic for the coming seasons but never good enough or anywhere near, I hope Brands and Silva aim high and challenge the whole club to emerge from this stupor.

In terms of celebrating, in our case that should be confined to a trophy win, or UCL qualification. The latter, if gained anytime soon, would probably rank very highly in our list of achievements, given the level of competition we now face.

 

[toffeejack]

As much as I can’t stand Klopp, if your definition of “mediocrity” is getting to the CL final, then I think it probably needs some work

his mediocrity is this:



Look at the kip of that, he's jolly and celebrating because they "saw" the european cup. I would be utterly pissed off if a manager of ours was that happy after losing and i'd want him out of this club, because that to me is not someone who's going to win anything.

 

[b-rad]

Regardless of what another manager does or how it is viewed in the media, the simple answer to the question is no.

 

[toffeejack]

I haven't seen the clip of Klopp celebrating can anyone link it or post it please.

apparently madrid were lucky, not sure how your keeper throwing the ball at a man two yards away is luck, but there we go. Bale's overhead was flukey though, it could have not gone in.

 

[kev]

when i saw that clip of klopp

I haven't seen the clip of Klopp

 

[davids]

Have no fear,the 7th place trophy will be ours!

 

[MACCA75]

My god. ‘A wave of change in both clubs ambitions’

This is one insanely deluded post. Liverpool fans are used to contesting finals and winning trophies, their ambitions are far higher than ours.

 

[jaycee]

Remember when we finished 4th and Moist bought a new M&S cardy and a bottle of pomagne and Bill was all over the telly with his big cheesy grin?

 

[Seathestars]

You might as well go out in the first round if you don’t win it.

Bollocks to the great journey getting there. Who goes all the way to India to see the Taj Mahal then stands there with a blind fold on.

 

[jaycee]

You might as well go out in the first round if you don’t win it.

Bollocks to the great journey getting there. Who goes all the way to India to see the Taj Mahal then stands there with a blind fold on.

Like Kendall said after the Watford cup final they came for a day out we came to win

 

[Seathestars]

Like Kendall said after the Watford cup final they came for a day out we came to win

This is my point. Let’s face it the RS did well getting there and I wish we could, but go there to win it or don’t bother.
Our club right now is rooted in mediocrity, our culture needs to change.

 

[KaiserEFC]

I just want our new manager to be competent if I’m honest.