WORRIED?

[nevsonlymate]

Anyone who thinks our squad is one that SHOULD rather than could be competing for Champions League completely underestimate the rebuilding that was required. 7th is a reasonable expectation this season, next season I would expect to kick on and definitely be challenging for Europe.

We have had the same statement put out by many posters since Moyes left unfortunately

 

[Deleted member 38674]

It took Pochettino 5 years to reach the Champions League final and compete at the top. Silva has been here 1 year. One of these is long term, the other isn’t. Pick one.

Pochettino took over a Spurs in 6th place and took them to 3rd and a Cup final within 2 seasons spending £76m across 4 transfer windows.

Silva took over an Everton in 8th place and took us to 8th place last year, spending £192m across 3 transfer windows.

In other words, unless Silva get's us top 4 this season, the two aren't even close to comparable.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It took Pochettino 5 years to reach the Champions League final and compete at the top. Silva has been here 1 year. One of these is long term, the other isn’t. Pick one.

No it didn't.

5th in his first season with Spurs and challenged for the league in his second - the year Leicester won it?

Pochettino also had a better record at Southampton than Silva had with both Hull and Watford.

Comparing the two is pointless and away from the point entirely like. [EDIT] Pochettino was also their 10th manager in 12 years. They moved managers on until they were convinced they had the right one.

As I said here, there's not a great deal you can disagree with in the opening post. The crux of the criticism @Ralphie Boy is getting is because of the timing - after a win and because we're three league games in. That's not enough to totally discredit what he's saying.

 

[Chimpy Glassman]

Great thread Ralphie

 

[brieverton]

It will always boil down to performances and results away from GP.

We would have needed to take a minimum of four points against Palace/Villa, and then maintain that average over at least all of the sides outside the top six for it to represent a substantial improvement. And we have now played two of them already.

I think seventh must be the minimum requirement this year, and we should be able to do it with enough to spare. Leicester and particularly Wolves are over-rated to a huge extent, but that's just by us. Relative to the money spent and quality of the squads, we should have more than enough.

With the money spent, successive seasons finishing below the likes of Wolves/Leicester/West Ham etc given our stated ambition would not be enough and would warrant change.

Outside of that, we can absolutely forget about going any higher unless there is a mammoth improvement in both our mentality and consistency of results away from home.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It will always boil down to performances and results away from GP.

We would have needed to take a minimum of four points against Palace/Villa, and then maintain that average over at least all of the sides outside the top six for it to represent a substantial improvement. And we have now played two of them already.

I think seventh must be the minimum requirement this year, and we should be able to do it with enough to spare. Leicester and particularly Wolves are over-rated to a huge extent, but that's just by us. Relative to the money spent and quality of the squads, we should have more than enough.

With the money spent, successive seasons finishing below the likes of Wolves/Leicester/West Ham etc given our stated ambition would not be enough and would warrant change.

Outside of that, we can absolutely forget about going any higher unless there is a mammoth improvement in both our mentality and consistency of results away from home.

So if we finish 7th he should keep his job, 8th he loses it?

 

[Lelouch]

No it didn't.

5th in his first season with Spurs and challenged for the league in his second - the year Leicester won it?

Pochettino also had a better record at Southampton than Silva had with both Hull and Watford.

Comparing the two is pointless and away from the point entirely like. [EDIT] Pochettino was also their 10th manager in 12 years. They moved managers on until they were convinced they had the right one.

As I said here, there's not a great deal you can disagree with in the opening post. The crux of the criticism @Ralphie Boy is getting is because of the timing - after a win and because we're three league games in. That's not enough to totally discredit what he's saying.

There is a time and a place for a thread like this not 3 games into a season, We've barely even started the season, Villa was a crap show but it's not like we didn't have games like that last season, It's way too early to be starting "WORRIED?" threads.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Anyone who thinks our squad is one that SHOULD rather than could be competing for Champions League completely underestimate the rebuilding that was required. 7th is a reasonable expectation this season, next season I would expect to kick on and definitely be challenging for Europe.

Not Champions League, but certainly Europa League. We should be mixing it with the top six clubs comfortably given the resources we've given Silva.

Wolves did it coming straight into the league and it just gives more credence to the suggestion that we've been chronically mismanaged from the top down.

7th was a minimum expectation last season after the expenditure. 7th this season is an absolute necessity.

If we don't qualify for Europe either via the league or a cup win, then Silva has to go.

 

[Zatara]

Pochettino took over a Spurs in 6th place and took them to 3rd and a Cup final within 2 seasons spending £76m across 4 transfer windows.

Silva took over an Everton in 8th place and took us to 8th place last year, spending £192m across 3 transfer windows.

In other words, unless Silva get's us top 4 this season, the two aren't even close to comparable.

Spurs had some great players (incl Kane) whereas weve had to change almost an entire squad.

Also, £76mil back then and £192mil now, is there that much of a difference seeing as prices have more than doubled...

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Not so much as worried, but more like dissapointed. Was very annoyed and pissed off on friday night after the Villa game. Normally I'm not someone who lets results get to me, but on friday the loss really got to me. Not as much the loss, but it just seems like we'll never learn our lesson. Just seems to run through this club. If we're in a good position and have every chance to hit that ground running, you can place a firm bet on us to screw up.

Have to say that although we probably could've lost the Watford game, there were also positives to take from it. Same as yesterday. Was a good game to watch I thought and it was also to be expected that it wasn never going to be a stroll in the park. In the end we did enough to decide it within 90 minutes and I'm satisfied with that.

Still have confidence in this season and still honestly believe we can make the top 6, but seems that something has to chance with the mentality if this club/players, if we're going to do so.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There is a time and a place for a thread like this not 3 games into a season, We've barely even started the season, Villa was a crap show but it's not like we didn't have games like that last season, It's way too early to be starting "WORRIED?" threads.

There was much, MUCH more fume than this thread before yesterday. Especially after Villa - very few called it out as 'early days'

The only difference with this thread is the timing - after we beat Lincoln.

It seems if Everton won their last game, you can't say anything negative. If Everton lose their last game, you can't say anything positive. Sometimes, an opinion/post can be based on longer than the previous week.

 

[Arteta10]

No it didn't.

5th in his first season with Spurs and challenged for the league in his second - the year Leicester won it?

Pochettino also had a better record at Southampton than Silva had with both Hull and Watford.

Comparing the two is pointless and away from the point entirely like. [EDIT] Pochettino was also their 10th manager in 12 years. They moved managers on until they were convinced they had the right one.

As I said here, there's not a great deal you can disagree with in the opening post. The crux of the criticism @Ralphie Boy is getting is because of the timing - after a win and because we're three league games in. That's not enough to totally discredit what he's saying.

There are several things that can be disagreed with in the original post tho.

Claiming we struggled to beat Lincoln when we absolutely dominated the game and they got out of their own half about twice.

Claiming Silva is refusing to drop Schneiderlin despite the fact that Delph and Gbamin have both been injured and hes been left with no other real option.

And saying 'we could have lost all 3 opening games' is just being a glass half empty kind of person. You could just as easily spin it and say we could have won all 3 games if walcott and DCl had taken their chances against Villa and Sigurdson hadnt had one kicked off the line against Palace

 

[Moomin]

Is it early in the season to start worrying, maybe it is.

But the lack of goals in pre-season and carrying on into the first 3 premier league games is concerning.

We beat Wolves 3 nil on the weekend and all this goes away.

 

[Lelouch]

There was much, MUCH more fume than this thread before yesterday. Especially after Villa - very few called it out as 'early days'

The only difference with this thread is the timing - after we beat Lincoln.

It seems if Everton won their last game, you can't say anything negative. If Everton lose their last game, you can't say anything positive. Sometimes, an opinion/post can be based on longer than the previous week.

3 games tho!!!! we've only lost one of them, The OP's post is perfectly reasonably if we have played a good chunk of games we've played 3.

 

[brieverton]

So if we finish 7th he should keep his job, 8th he loses it?

You have put me on the spot here, but I'd say if we miss out on European qualification by finishing 8th or lower for the second season running, assuming we won't win either of the cups, I would think it would be sufficient grounds have a serious review of his position at the very least, not least considering who might be available as an alternative.

I prefer stability and would like to see him see out his contract, but we can't be afraid of change either. Spurs did get through their fair share of managers before hitting a winning formula, and regular managerial changes didn't affect Chelsea greatly until recently perhaps, not that they are the best comparison for us.

You don't move someone on for the sake of it, particularly given our recent history either.

The problem is drawing an arbitrary line in the sand somewhere, as cruel or as generous that appears to be, and how much time is time enough for a club that have had 30 years of nothing and that supposedly is in a hurry. We also have a DOF model that is now supposedly seen to work so if it does, it should mitigate against at least some aspects of more change.

But, when all is said and done I hope 110% he is considered to be doing enough to stay here beyond this season, and several more to come.