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Should we be worried? I'm just a civvy so not sure what's going on in simple terms.
The bad men are pushing the good guys and its only a matter of time before the good guys slap the bad guys around.

The bad guys have bad mates and if all the bad guys join together we could find ourselves looking at massive mushroom clouds before Xmas.

So no, dont be worried, cos there is nothing you can do.
 
The bad men are pushing the good guys and its only a matter of time before the good guys slap the bad guys around.

The bad guys have bad mates and if all the bad guys join together we could find ourselves looking at massive mushroom clouds before Xmas.

So no, dont be worried, cos there is nothing you can do.

I don't see many good guys at the moment I'll be honest.

Just bad guys poking bad guys.
 
I think I've posted this before but Peter Turchin studies history using mathematical models. He looks at various past instances of near-societal collapse (French Revolution, US Civil War, Russian Revolution, Ming-Qing transition, etc. etc.) and finds which variables are common; he then looks at which societies have combinations of these variables to project future collapse. Historians tend to hate him as they think history has too many particulars to be used to predict "future history" so to speak. I think it is an interesting approach. Note: one of the predictors of political instability is the overproduction of elites, in one case measured as folks with a 4-year Uni degree (bachelor's degree) but in other analyses it is simply the number of folks who have some expectation of privilege and notoriety--he claims this is particularly problematic when there are too many "elites" vying for political power--they come into conflict with each other and vie for attention by doing/saying outlandish things. A lot of this is documented in his most recent book "End Times." He's not trying to be doom-n-gloom, rather, because he focuses on societal collapse, his research won't have much of a positive outlook.

He wrote this in 2010 and it is not too far off the mark for the USA, given the insurrection...
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I received Turchin's book for Christmas. It's quite dry and took me a while but it's hard not to look back through history and see the cycles pretty much everywhere.

His theory can pretty much be summed up in 3 "laws":

1 - Stable societies with growing economies will see inequality grow as societal elites (defined as those with some measure of influence over others) use that power & influence to hoover up eve greater percentages of the resources available

2 - As the numbers in poverty grow due to the worsening inequality, larger sections of the population become desparate for change and are able to be mobilised for causes

3 - With more cash floating around at the top, too many elites are vying for the same amount of potential influence over society (either political or financial power). This leads to conflict amongst elites which can spill over into violence, using the mobilised masses defined in point 2

Turchin posits this is a fundamental process of human societies and only the rate it which it happens varies, based on factors such as polygamy vs monogamy. He does cite several examples of societies that were able to delay their 'destabilisation periods' - Britain in the 19th century is one such, as it was able to send surplus elites out to run or pillage the Empire. 19th century Russia too, which freed the serfs - this then led to political destabilisation in the following decades, several revolutions, and eventually the USSR.

Really though, the only way to arrest the cycle is for the elite class to agree en masse (via legislation & regulation) to not worsen inequality, as seen in the US from the 1930s to the 1970s. When these things were repealed in the 70s the cycle resumed and is now at 'breaking point'.

It's sombre stuff and globalisation has probably synchronised all our cycles to that of our nearest & most influential world power.
 
Thatcher was on her way out until the Falkland War saved her ass. There's nothing like a contrived war to save a doomed government.
Research in political science suggests otherwise. The 'rally-round-the-flag' effect exists, but is fleeting. You could ask George H.W. Bush how much his 90% approval rating in early 1991 was good for a year later.

One weakness of the Westchester system is the ability to call elections on demand, and kick the can down the road five years. I don't know that pummeling Yemen does much to solve Sunak's domestic woes, though. Churchill won World War II and found himself decisively kicked to the curb mere weeks after Berlin fell. Winning a war is not a political panacea.
 
Research in political science suggests otherwise. The 'rally-round-the-flag' effect exists, but is fleeting. You could ask George H.W. Bush how much his 90% approval rating in early 1991 was good for a year later.

One weakness of the Westchester system is the ability to call elections on demand, and kick the can down the road five years. I don't know that pummeling Yemen does much to solve Sunak's domestic woes, though. Churchill won World War II and found himself decisively kicked to the curb mere weeks after Berlin fell. Winning a war is not a political panacea.
I don't think it will be enough to save Sunak, it's a bit of a hail Mary play but I think they are desparate for anything that will move the dial back in their direction.
 
I received Turchin's book for Christmas. It's quite dry and took me a while but it's hard not to look back through history and see the cycles pretty much everywhere.

His theory can pretty much be summed up in 3 "laws":

1 - Stable societies with growing economies will see inequality grow as societal elites (defined as those with some measure of influence over others) use that power & influence to hoover up eve greater percentages of the resources available

2 - As the numbers in poverty grow due to the worsening inequality, larger sections of the population become desparate for change and are able to be mobilised for causes

3 - With more cash floating around at the top, too many elites are vying for the same amount of potential influence over society (either political or financial power). This leads to conflict amongst elites which can spill over into violence, using the mobilised masses defined in point 2

Turchin posits this is a fundamental process of human societies and only the rate it which it happens varies, based on factors such as polygamy vs monogamy. He does cite several examples of societies that were able to delay their 'destabilisation periods' - Britain in the 19th century is one such, as it was able to send surplus elites out to run or pillage the Empire. 19th century Russia too, which freed the serfs - this then led to political destabilisation in the following decades, several revolutions, and eventually the USSR.

Really though, the only way to arrest the cycle is for the elite class to agree en masse (via legislation & regulation) to not worsen inequality, as seen in the US from the 1930s to the 1970s. When these things were repealed in the 70s the cycle resumed and is now at 'breaking point'.

It's sombre stuff and globalisation has probably synchronised all our cycles to that of our nearest & most influential world power.
Rage Against the Machines 'Zach del la Rocha' once again proving to be one of the most on-the-money lyricists of modern times. 30 years ago and more relevant than ever.

"Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive and movin'
They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally 'round the family, pockets full of shells"
 
Or they are spreading his effect over as much ground as they can to differentiate the next twits* efforts. The better by comparison idea. Move the narrative on.
Good way to think about it. Best case scenario: we save some Tory seats, and in a dream scenario we retain power. Worst case scenario: we're already at our hard floor for support, so if it goes south we just set up the next guy.

Seems like a sound pitch for rolling the bones to me. Biden's not in quite the same boat, so I doubt he plays ball, but it wouldn't shock me to see Sunak take the more bellicose of the two stances.
 
Good way to think about it. Best case scenario: we save some Tory seats, and in a dream scenario we retain power. Worst case scenario: we're already at our hard floor for support, so if it goes south we just set up the next guy.

Seems like a sound pitch for rolling the bones to me. Biden's not in quite the same boat, so I doubt he plays ball, but it wouldn't shock me to see Sunak take the more bellicose of the two stances.
It's about mileage for them now, as much distance from austerity, windrush, covid parties, trussonomics and shifty rishi. "stop bringing up the past, the tories are the only party that can be trusted with the countries future" etc. A short spell out of the magnifying glass spotlight and then back to the sleaze and lies and torture and social terrorism they enjoy so much. When the people thatcher hurt so much and so often are the eldest generation, it's gonna take some Houdini act to sell toryism then...
 
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