Will we beat the ‘entertainers’

[ClausThomsen]

As opposed to now when we've had two further FT managers who've flushed £300M down the toilet.

Which has been funded largely through player sales, wanted and unwanted, and other income over a longer period of time. What I was referring to would have been a complete overhaul of the entire playing squad in the space of one windows given that there was a suspicion that many players had downed tools and could no longer be relied upon with Martinez at the helm.

I'm sure that the plan after sacking Martinez wasn't to find another manager who would also lose their way and get sacked. The poor choice of Koeman does not make getting rid of Martinez a bad decision.

A different manager is perhaps the swifter and more economically viable "reset" button when trouble appears. I struggle to think of any clubs who have backed their manager to the extent of the chairman/board changing huge swathes of the playing staff instead.

 

[toffeejack]

Not sure why it matters tbh

 

[davek]

Which has been funded largely through player sales, wanted and unwanted, and other income over a longer period of time. What I was referring to would have been a complete overhaul of the entire playing squad in the space of one windows given that there was a suspicion that many players had downed tools and could no longer be relied upon with Martinez at the helm.

I'm sure that the plan after sacking Martinez wasn't to find another manager who would also lose their way and get sacked. The poor choice of Koeman does not make getting rid of Martinez a bad decision.

A different manager is perhaps the swifter and more economically viable "reset" button when trouble appears. I struggle to think of any clubs who have backed their manager to the extent of the chairman/board changing huge swathes of the playing staff instead.

Oh he had to go. I'm not making a case that he should have stayed. But that's a whole different issue to the man's ability to coach in a certain way, and coach very well.

 

[bluestevon]

With respect, you like debating random player names with @Zatara and @bluestevon and the merits of signing.
And you shouldn't be ridiculed or criticised for that, good on you and GOT for having the platform.
Each to their own, eh?

Uggggh not a good sign being tagged in a post with Zat...

 

[mkrudden]

Uggggh not a good sign being tagged in a post with Zat...

Nothing wrong with it mate. Zat's a good lad.

 

[msb]

Martinez, Koeman and soon Allardyce will be things of the past. Let's leave them there and move our great club forward, altogether now ....

It's a grand old team to play for
It's a grand old team to support .....

 

[Nymzee]

With respect, you like debating random player names with @Zatara and @bluestevon and the merits of signing.
And you shouldn't be ridiculed or criticised for that, good on you and GOT for having the platform.
Each to their own, eh?

Indeed I just think there's too much discussion of the past on here when our present is so dire.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Indeed I just think there's too much discussion of the past on here when our present is so dire.

There needs to be perspective on the present though (which is the point of this post). Allardyce is the only Everton manager in history not even afforded a chance when he took the job. He inherited an absolutely perilous position probably only beaten by what Moyes picked up in 02. Despite this he’s performed manfully so far yet has still attracted nothing but bile from the fan base. The same fan base that was willing to give Martinez chance after chance based on nothing but a good first season and some media illusion of ‘attacking football’ (that disappeared completely after the first season). Why were people willing to give Martinez more time on the back of 2 seasons of 47 points and a bottom half finish yet have the knives out for Allardyce trying to battle against a problem not of his making and yet is currently on course to better 47 points?

Consider the scenario. Allardyce betters 47 points this season. He has the summer window, a full pre season. What might he be capable of next season? Would fans really deny him that chance based on notions of football aesthetics?

 

[matty1878]

Roberto Martinez with the likes of Stones Barkley Deulofeu and Lukaku at his disposal guided us to two ‘phenomenal’ 11th place finishes in a row with 47 points in each. A ‘phenomenal’ achievement from a manager who had been given time to mould his own philosophy on his own squad and had by and large avoided serious injuries. One patronising BBC pundit even branded us ‘the Entertainers’

Big Sam picked up a squad that had come off the back of an awful period of recruitment, completely unbalanced, and in the midst of a crippling injury/confidence crisis. He no longer had one of the league’s best strikers (or any decent striker) and centreback at his disposal and has had no pre season to work with a group that are not his players. We currently sit on 31 points after 25 games. Allardyce has garnered 16 points from 11 league games (I’ve not counted West Ham).

He therefore needs 16 points from the remaining 13 games to equal Sin Miedo’s league performances with the entertainers. Considering that in his first 11 games he’s had Liverpool, United, Spurs, and Chelsea, and in his remaining 13 games he only has Liverpool, Arsenal and City i’m quite confident that he will achieve this.

How would the old cult population of GOT feel about their idol being overshadowed by a football dinosaur who received a hospital pass?

lol

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

The only way you can gauge it is after Allardyce has done a full season, so hopefully we'll never know.

 

[Woolly Blue]

He therefore needs 16 points from the remaining 13 games to equal Sin Miedo’s league performances with the entertainers

I think that's a better than evens bet.
I expect us to finish eighth or ninth with more than 47 points.

 

[electricblue]

Talk about raking over old coals..

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

It might just be me and the ale talking, but you say Allardyce has garnered 16 points up to now, and he only needs 16 pts more to equal Martinez's total of 47 pts, as I say, it might just be because I've had a few beers but, 16+16 =32 pts for Sam, how does that equal 47? Unless you're including the points gained by Koeman and Unsworth this season.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

That first season under Martinez was awesome.But our league form was totally unacceptable, in the following two seasons under him.Of course there was decent campaigns in the Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup.But our league form under Martinez, especially in his last season, had fallen off a cliff.We were going backwards at a rate of knots under him.He should have been fired straight after that FA cup semi final defeat.There is no way he would have turned things around.The man was just too vain and stubborn to learn from his mistakes.The man had a vision on how his teams should play football, which was admirable in a way.But it was also dangerously and insanely deluded.

I think with regards to Allardyce, he inherited an an absolute shambolic and chaotic situation.But he has stabilized things, and after this shambles of a season we have endured, then it would quite a decent achievement if we finish 7th.I think Sam Allardyce is a decent manager, for a club with no ambitions or expectations.But we are a supposed to be a football club, with designs on regaining our place amongst the footballing elite.

That will not happen with Allardyce.Martinez was a failure of an Everton manager.But nothing Allardyce will do will top that 72 point season.Hopefully in the summer, we can thank Big Sam for helping to improve and stabilize us, after inheriting an Everton squad that was badly mismanaged by both Koeman (i blame Koeman more than poor Unsy, who tried his best, in what was a very difficult situation to be placed in) and Unsy.And then hopefully both parties, will shake hands and go their separate ways.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

My eldest son wasn't even born the last time we beat Arsenal away.

In a few months (all being well) he will graduate with a Masters degree and next year he's getting married.

I can't see us changing the habit of a lifetime at the Emirates later today. Some of Arsenal's attacking players are on a different planet. Aubameyang, Ozil and Lacazette (combined) cost more than our entire squad.