Why so negative?

[Khalekan]

It means exactly what it says mate. We've been shocking for the previous two seasons and that wasn't going to be fixed overnight. Did you just think Koeman (or any replacement for Martinez) was going to be able to come into the club and wave a magic wand to fix everything? This season is one for Koeman to size up the players who he wants/doesn't want and rebuild accordingly. These things take time, I know we live in an age were everyone wants everything RIGHT NOW but in the real world it isn't going to happen.

Well excuse me sir, but if you think giving him a "transitional season" is all the time he, or any manager, needs to rebuild a side then you are to be numbered among those people looking for their fix "RIGHT NOW".

There is no "transitional season" in football.

I remember the Mancs talking about Moyes's season as a "transitional season".

Nearly four years later they are still in "transition".

Everton might be a club in "transition" both on and off the pitch but it ain't going to happen during the course of one "transitional season".

Whatever that is

 

[Creature]

This board was and to be honest, still is, the place I come to read Everton stuff. Why has it become so toxic though?

I (and I`m sure there are others out there) am getting fed up of the negativity on here.

We, as Evertonians have been through some [Poor language removed] times, but we still love the club.

We are still one of the most successful teams in the world in terms of history and top flight football.

Criticism is part of the game, but the match threads in particular are an embarrassment.

Why is this?

COYB

Like the OP and agree it's a toxic place. I think most football forums are the same.

IMO (and a quite lubricated one) I think it's down to technology. The forums ten years ago were less frequented than nowadays. Including myself I would say a fan is less likely to comment on something if there has been a decent result.

It is very easy to instigate negativity on a forum. Members think that just because a long time member is posting that they are somehow trustworthy and worth listening to. All it means in the modern era is that someone knows where the on and off switches are and are willing to post, either to promote or denigrate a viewpoint.

Anyone reading any forum on any subject should take it with a pinch of salt.

It don't mean nothin.

 

[Bullet]

This board was and to be honest, still is, the place I come to read Everton stuff. Why has it become so toxic though?

I (and I`m sure there are others out there) am getting fed up of the negativity on here.

We, as Evertonians have been through some [Poor language removed] times, but we still love the club.

We are still one of the most successful teams in the world in terms of history and top flight football.

Criticism is part of the game, but the match threads in particular are an embarrassment.

Why is this?

COYB

End of 2015 under Martinez
Pl 19 Pts 26 GD +7

End of 2016 under Koeman
Pl 19 Pts 27 GD +2

Despite all the hype and hope, as of yet, we're not doing any better under RK than we were under Bobby and the footy is even worse.
That seems a fair basis upon which to be, at the least, very frustrated if not downright peed off.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Well excuse me sir, but if you think giving him a "transitional season" is all the time he, or any manager, needs to rebuild a side then you are to be numbered among those people looking for their fix "RIGHT NOW".

There is no "transitional season" in football.

I remember the Mancs talking about Moyes's season as a "transitional season".

Nearly four years later they are still in "transition".

Everton might be a club in "transition" both on and off the pitch but it ain't going to happen during the course of one "transitional season".

Whatever that is

At what point did I say one single season would change everything? That's right I didn't did I?! I simply recognise that without proper investment (and we certainly didn't see any in the summer) progression is almost impossible with this current side.

The transitional season is a very real thing. Hardly ever do you see a managers true ability in his first season (unless they're Mike Walker level, in which case they shouldn't even be allowed near club football at any serious level). Martinez had a great first season because the culture and expectations were still very much apparent. This is why we see loads of first season shocks under new manager's that fall apart in their second year.

Regarding you point on Moyes, I fail to see what the Mancs have gained by sacking him. They around about were he left them. 6th to 7th despite tones of investment. They're only as high as they are right now because of one single player and in the form of hislifer and a brilliant go keeper. They are still in transition because they keep sacking managers!

I expect to see Improvement for us next season, steady progression and the same for the one after but I'm not going to pretend that we were going to magically improve with the same side that's been terrible for two years. A poultry seven months into a new manager's regime when he's been horribly let down by the club with a total lack of real investment.

 

[Tel001]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but constant negativity does not help. I know it doesn't`t make a lot of difference here really, but it does affect the overall mood of the place and it probably puts people off being here or commenting to the contrary as it seems to be the norm/run of the mill. When I get this negative crap at the match constantly it becomes very tiresome and counterproductive.

Being positive doesn't help either... Martinez was the most positive manager in the world ... and it destroyed him... remember him saying he learned more about his players after the 9-0 at Spurs , than he would if they won... how can anyone look for positives after the biggest defeat in prem history ? Being negative or positive doesn't effect how you perform IMO.. but your performances do effect how negative or positive you feel

 

[Tel001]

End of 2015 under Martinez
Pl 19 Pts 26 GD +7

End of 2016 under Koeman
Pl 19 Pts 27 GD +2

Despite all the hype and hope, as of yet, we're not doing any better under RK than we were under Bobby and the footy is even worse.
That seems a fair basis upon which to be, at the least, very frustrated if not downright peed off.

But bobby had a decent team at the start and changed it into the [Poor language removed] we see today... took him three years to ruin what Moyes had left him... koeman has improved our defensive record and will need money and at least 2 windows to be judged imo

 

[Tel001]

End of 2015 under Martinez
Pl 19 Pts 26 GD +7

End of 2016 under Koeman
Pl 19 Pts 27 GD +2

Despite all the hype and hope, as of yet, we're not doing any better under RK than we were under Bobby and the footy is even worse.
That seems a fair basis upon which to be, at the least, very frustrated if not downright peed off.

Try comparing bobbys last 19 with koemans last 19

 

[carolinablue232]

At least we're not villa...

 

[AmericanSchoolOfScience]

This board was and to be honest, still is, the place I come to read Everton stuff. Why has it become so toxic though?

I (and I`m sure there are others out there) am getting fed up of the negativity on here.

We, as Evertonians have been through some [Poor language removed] times, but we still love the club.

We are still one of the most successful teams in the world in terms of history and top flight football.

Criticism is part of the game, but the match threads in particular are an embarrassment.

Why is this?

COYB

Spot on

The world, and Everton, are not going to end from one or two bad matches or transfers

 

[Bilko]

The match thread is usually something I ignore and avoid . I followed it last night and Barry was being crucified after 3 minutes.Ross went from brilliant to abysmal, I assume WUM 's play their part , hence it's an area of the forum which is something I pay little attention to..
I think the current mood in the forum is a reflection of the club. Be honest, we waited so long to get a buyer for the club , there was talk of super players coming in, we got a rated manager, rumours abound of a new stadium. But as yet , we seem to be very much in limbo , all waiting for the big times to roll. Perhaps we got ahead of ourselves but I am convinced it will happen in the next two years. It is hugely frustrating watching our boys at the moment because we can all see our weaknesses as these players bar a couple are clearly not up for the task. We only had to see Ron's look on the touchline last night to see his frustration.We've lost yet another derby so I'd be surprised if the mood was anything else.
But, if the board does just one thing and give us an update to the stadium situation I reckon there will be far more positive vibes from the fan base as it will be seen as progression of the club.

It's not easy is it !.

,

 

[McBain]

Hang on..We snatched a last ditch draw with HULL??

 

[tadpole]

The match thread is usually something I ignore and avoid . I followed it last night and Barry was being crucified after 3 minutes.Ross went from brilliant to abysmal

The amount of abuse directed at players drives me mad. God knows we all get frustrated when passes go astray etc, but we're all adults (I think), these are players in blue shirts, give them some support. When you criticise a player, describe what's wrong with his performances, don't say "he is gash", "he is s**t", that is abuse, it creates a bad atmosphere for everyone, and it's out of order. And if you spend most of your time on the forum or at the match ranting at individual players you really ought to give yourself a good talking to - what is the point ? You're not going to change anything, so just enjoy the game and allow yourself to celebrate some of the good things that you've seen.

 

[hktoffee]

2016 league stats:

11 wins
12 draws
14 losses

7 wins 6 draws 6 losses Koeman's record.

 

[hktoffee]

End of 2015 under Martinez
Pl 19 Pts 26 GD +7

End of 2016 under Koeman
Pl 19 Pts 27 GD +2

Despite all the hype and hope, as of yet, we're not doing any better under RK than we were under Bobby and the footy is even worse.
That seems a fair basis upon which to be, at the least, very frustrated if not downright peed off.

No.

Jan 2016 - 11 May 2016. 18 points from 18 games. See where Koeman gets us in May 2017 then judge. Don't just take out bits and say Koeman is no matter than the clown. We are 7th right now. Last two seasons were 11th and 12th under RM.

 

[hktoffee]

Try comparing bobbys last 19 with koemans last 19

They just won't.

I'll do it. Last 19 PL games of Martinez.

P19 W4 D6 L9 GD-7

First PL 19 games of Koeman.

P19 W7 D6 L6 GD+2

Not the same. This is improvement in terms of result.