Why have America never produced a world class football player ?

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I don't think MLS is a high enough level to make you truly an elite player though. I do agree with what you say about Europe being a meat grinder, it is very tough to make it, but making it puts you at a place way above where most guys in MLS ever reach.

Pulisic is a good example. Yes he is currently a Chelsea squad player, but he would torch MLS the way Vela does. This isn't an indictment of the MLS btw as it is true of South America, Mexico and a lot of the less good leagues in Europe too. At some point the jump has to be made or you can't hit the true heights of the game.

Now what age that is I have no idea. You're right I think with Altidore in that it was too young and it hurt him more than helped. But I also look at someone like Yedlin who had the raw physical skills to be very good, but never got there technically and think maybe if he goes a bit earlier that is avoided.

It is a tough spot for the US to be in but without MLS becoming a league with quality from front to back in the teams it'll never be viable for producing truly world class players. They'll have to go.

Pulisic yea he's good, scored a few goals here and there. But he was also kinda a squad player before Sandro took his spot. He's still very raw. Then he moved to a club that isn't really there to develop him. This isn't to blame Chelsea either I'm sure they'd love it it he took Mount's place, however they are trying to get back in the C-league so they are more attractive to players better than Pulisic. Another thing too, if he's a bust/mediocre but still healthy they could still flog him off for 45M to West Ham because prem transfers are so wack these days.

Should have pushed for a more lateral move i.e a club w/ different priorites, maybe somewhere else in Germany. Bayer? Red Bull? The money and fame will come FFS you are only 20. KDB spent his mid-20s in Wolfsburg, it hasn't hurt him.

Let's not worry about being great. Let's work on being good and playing as a team 1st. Something we haven't done well in almost a decade now. You could be good developing in the MLS, there is a major interest there in being a selling league for young players. Don't chase the money, hai England!, the money will be there.
 
Pulisic yea he's good, scored a few goals here and there. But he was also kinda a squad player before Sandro took his spot. He's still very raw. Then he moved to a club that isn't really there to develop him. This isn't to blame Chelsea either I'm sure they'd love it it he took Mount's place, however they are trying to get back in the C-league so they are more attractive to players better than Pulisic. Another thing too, if he's a bust/mediocre but still healthy they could still flog him off for 45M to West Ham because prem transfers are so wack these days.

Should have pushed for a more lateral move i.e a club w/ different priorites, maybe somewhere else in Germany. Bayer? Red Bull? The money and fame will come FFS you are only 20. KDB spent his mid-20s in Wolfsburg, it hasn't hurt him.

Let's not worry about being great. Let's work on being good and playing as a team 1st. Something we haven't done well in almost a decade now. You could be good developing in the MLS, there is a major interest there in being a selling league for young players. Don't chase the money, hai England!, the money will be there.
There is certainly a ceiling on what we can achieve with even good development in MLS. Look at Mexico and there World Cups really as the example. So I think it'll have to continue being a mix of home growing and smart moves in Europe.
 
Its quite complicated and sorry in advance for the long post. But up until age 16, soccer competes with the other big 3 sports surprisingly well on the mens side. The problem is two fold:

1. The best players are forced to play 'club soccer' and the top teams of those (which there are thousands at all levels, genders and age groups) are forced to pay a lot of money and travel very far distances to play against the best competition in the best leagues and tournaments. The hot bed areas over here are North Texas (Dallas), California, Chicago, and Washington DC to New York, but because of training and financial commitments, a lot of the lower socio economic athletes in the inner cities are unintentionally frozen out. Of the other top athletes that can afford the time and financial commitment, some of best top players on those teams will get recruited for and play college soccer for four years which, although is a very high standard of amateur play, is purely results based and is set up all wrong for pro development. Its also is not very glamorous compared to college american football and basketball. The very very best will play in pro academies (like UK) and will all attend the same school in the mornings, practice in afternoons and fly to games and get great competition and coaching. However, these academies are still relatively young vs the Euro/South American academies and even though it gives a good supply of talent for the MLS (pro league) it has yet to produce any top talent capable of infiltrating the top world leagues. The very best like previously mentioned Reyna and Pulisic get picked off by Euro academies and either make it there or fade away and just return stateside to MLS. They also had connected dads that had better connections than most which I'm sure massively helped. More and more top euro scouts though are getting active over here as the game is improving slowly but surely.

2. For most though, around 16 interest trails off some in the sport as am football especially is massive in high school and is the attention sport to play on Friday evenings under the lights where games against the biggest schools can have crowds up to 5000. Also adding to this fading interest is there's not much scholarship money available in college for soccer vs basketball and Am Football and the best athletes look to that and the glamour of competing in those sports in college which, as some of you know, can attract crowds of over 100,000 in the Saturday american football games.

The women's game is set up quite similar but they dont have the massive animal that is american football to compete with for the best female athletes.
 
Title IX is a big factor along with money. A college has to equalize the scholarships between male and female athletes. At most universities (American) football and men’s basketball are the only sports that generate positive cash flow. At the top level (Division 1) there are approximately 120 athletes which means most other men’s sports give out on partial, if any, scholarships. That creates the opportunity to give full scholarships to the women’s soccer team, but not men’s. Heck when my daughter, who plays soccer and basketball, was in 7th grade, I was approached by the girls golf coach from a high school in our school district. He mentioned that due to Title IX, every girl that he had coached over the past four years had received at least a partial college scholarship. I said that we couldn’t afford to join a country club and pay for lessons. He replied that the school provides the clubs and the girls get to play on the city golf course everyday for free. Basically Title IX has killed most scholarships for non-revenue generating men’s sports, so unless you can make the jump from high school to the professional ranks, there’s not much of a path unless you have the financial means
 
Title IX is a big factor along with money. A college has to equalize the scholarships between male and female athletes. At most universities (American) football and men’s basketball are the only sports that generate positive cash flow. At the top level (Division 1) there are approximately 120 athletes which means most other men’s sports give out on partial, if any, scholarships. That creates the opportunity to give full scholarships to the women’s soccer team, but not men’s. Heck when my daughter, who plays soccer and basketball, was in 7th grade, I was approached by the girls golf coach from a high school in our school district. He mentioned that due to Title IX, every girl that he had coached over the past four years had received at least a partial college scholarship. I said that we couldn’t afford to join a country club and pay for lessons. He replied that the school provides the clubs and the girls get to play on the city golf course everyday for free. Basically Title IX has killed most scholarships for non-revenue generating men’s sports, so unless you can make the jump from high school to the professional ranks, there’s not much of a path unless you have the financial means
One good thing that could come out of the pandemic is schools that have football programs that lose money, places like Connecticut, will see it wise to just drop the sport and invest in lots of other ones.
 
Its quite complicated and sorry in advance for the long post. But up until age 16, soccer competes with the other big 3 sports surprisingly well on the mens side. The problem is two fold:

1. The best players are forced to play 'club soccer' and the top teams of those (which there are thousands at all levels, genders and age groups) are forced to pay a lot of money and travel very far distances to play against the best competition in the best leagues and tournaments. The hot bed areas over here are North Texas (Dallas), California, Chicago, and Washington DC to New York, but because of training and financial commitments, a lot of the lower socio economic athletes in the inner cities are unintentionally frozen out. Of the other top athletes that can afford the time and financial commitment, some of best top players on those teams will get recruited for and play college soccer for four years which, although is a very high standard of amateur play, is purely results based and is set up all wrong for pro development. Its also is not very glamorous compared to college american football and basketball. The very very best will play in pro academies (like UK) and will all attend the same school in the mornings, practice in afternoons and fly to games and get great competition and coaching. However, these academies are still relatively young vs the Euro/South American academies and even though it gives a good supply of talent for the MLS (pro league) it has yet to produce any top talent capable of infiltrating the top world leagues. The very best like previously mentioned Reyna and Pulisic get picked off by Euro academies and either make it there or fade away and just return stateside to MLS. They also had connected dads that had better connections than most which I'm sure massively helped. More and more top euro scouts though are getting active over here as the game is improving slowly but surely.

2. For most though, around 16 interest trails off some in the sport as am football especially is massive in high school and is the attention sport to play on Friday evenings under the lights where games against the biggest schools can have crowds up to 5000. Also adding to this fading interest is there's not much scholarship money available in college for soccer vs basketball and Am Football and the best athletes look to that and the glamour of competing in those sports in college which, as some of you know, can attract crowds of over 100,000 in the Saturday american football games.

The women's game is set up quite similar but they dont have the massive animal that is american football to compete with for the best female athletes.
Just to elaborate on college soccer a bit, the NCAA rules pretty much limit organized training to about 6 months out of the year, and games are only in the fall. Plus the games are rolling substitutions, meaning players never have to worry about playing 90 minutes and learning how to manage their way through a game like that.

And as you said the academies are improving, but the results are pretty limited so far. I think the only one is Adams really who was out of the academy at NYRB and then moved to Europe. The rest as you said finish up their youth team careers with the European teams.
 
People here can't afford to support another team...they're already too busy and too broke trying to follow their local teams/sports, in an effort to be der best fan ever. Some cities here have 4 or more professional sports teams and each one of them does their best to suck the blood and time from fans. And that's not even counting some college teams, who pull as much or more than their professional counterparts.

New York:
Yankees
Mets
Islanders
Rangers
Jets
Giants
Knicks

Detroit:
Red Wings
Lions
Tigers
Pistons

Texas:
Stars
Cowboys
Mavericks
Rangers
Astros
Rockets
Texans
Spurs

No use even talking about Cali...

It's endless...this country's overloaded with sports, relative to its population. Most don't have time to add the Euro-disease to their viewing schedule. I f'ed 'em all off and crossed the pond over 2 decades ago; saves me a lot of Yankee chatter. There's nothing worse than two armchair coaches engaged in full-on faux machismo, slobbering about their teams pass rush. I'm not a good evangelist for footy either, just Everton...and I don't have one ounce of guilt over it.
 
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Its quite complicated and sorry in advance for the long post. But up until age 16, soccer competes with the other big 3 sports surprisingly well on the mens side. The problem is two fold:

1. The best players are forced to play 'club soccer' and the top teams of those (which there are thousands at all levels, genders and age groups) are forced to pay a lot of money and travel very far distances to play against the best competition in the best leagues and tournaments. The hot bed areas over here are North Texas (Dallas), California, Chicago, and Washington DC to New York, but because of training and financial commitments, a lot of the lower socio economic athletes in the inner cities are unintentionally frozen out. Of the other top athletes that can afford the time and financial commitment, some of best top players on those teams will get recruited for and play college soccer for four years which, although is a very high standard of amateur play, is purely results based and is set up all wrong for pro development. Its also is not very glamorous compared to college american football and basketball. The very very best will play in pro academies (like UK) and will all attend the same school in the mornings, practice in afternoons and fly to games and get great competition and coaching. However, these academies are still relatively young vs the Euro/South American academies and even though it gives a good supply of talent for the MLS (pro league) it has yet to produce any top talent capable of infiltrating the top world leagues. The very best like previously mentioned Reyna and Pulisic get picked off by Euro academies and either make it there or fade away and just return stateside to MLS. They also had connected dads that had better connections than most which I'm sure massively helped. More and more top euro scouts though are getting active over here as the game is improving slowly but surely.

2. For most though, around 16 interest trails off some in the sport as am football especially is massive in high school and is the attention sport to play on Friday evenings under the lights where games against the biggest schools can have crowds up to 5000. Also adding to this fading interest is there's not much scholarship money available in college for soccer vs basketball and Am Football and the best athletes look to that and the glamour of competing in those sports in college which, as some of you know, can attract crowds of over 100,000 in the Saturday american football games.

The women's game is set up quite similar but they dont have the massive animal that is american football to compete with for the best female athletes.
I went to an Everton match at Bournemouth a couple years ago, and the experience of watching Premier League level football being played in a venue that small was almost surreal. To be honest, Goodison feels really small to me a lot of the time. 5000 is probably a pretty standard crowd for Friday night game between two big high schools in my part of The States. However some places, especially Texas can draw WAAAY more than that. If memory serves, the 6A state championship game in Texas drew over 50k one year.
 
I went to an Everton match at Bournemouth a couple years ago, and the experience of watching Premier League level football being played in a venue that small was almost surreal. To be honest, Goodison feels really small to me a lot of the time. 5000 is probably a pretty standard crowd for Friday night game between two big high schools in my part of The States. However some places, especially Texas can draw WAAAY more than that. If memory serves, the 6A state championship game in Texas drew over 50k one year.
The state high school championships are currently played at AT&T Stadium (home of the Dallas Cowboys) and many of the larger classifications have over 25k in attendance at each game.
 
One good thing that could come out of the pandemic is schools that have football programs that lose money, places like Connecticut, will see it wise to just drop the sport and invest in lots of other ones.

I don’t see that happening. SMU received the death penalty in football, yet eventually brought it back as part of “enhancing the college experience “.
 
It’s starting to change. With the younger generation I see it surpassing both baseball and hockey in popularity within 10 years. We’re still new to the club academy system and are starting to move past the pay to play. We’re also not far away from being able to put out a legitimate 11 to at least hang with the big boys of the world. Consider this as a potential starting 11 for 2022, and then note the current ages. We’re starting to come on.

————————-Steffen(25)————————-
Cannon(22)——??————Brooks(27)—Dest(19)
————————Adams(21)—————————
————Mckennie(21)—-Reyna(17)——————
Weah(20)——-—-Sargent(20)———-Pulisic(21)
 
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