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Chris
a whole wheel of cheese?
I like this 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/24/premierleague.westbrom?gusrc=rss&feed=football
Dazzling Osman fails to appease Moyes anger
'The pattern continued until the match flamed into life after a near-sublime moment from Osman after 63 minutes. The midfielder danced past West Brom players into the area. He should have shot, but passed to Arteta. His cross went for a corner. And, from the same player's delivery, Rodwell headed home.
This, though, was disallowed by Rob Styles, who judged Paul Robinson to have been impeded. From Moyes came what had been brewing for a while: real fury. And, while still raging, Arteta fed Osman inside the area. Now his shot beat Scott Carson - and this time the goal stood.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/24/premierleague.westbrom?gusrc=rss&feed=football
Dazzling Osman fails to appease Moyes anger
'The pattern continued until the match flamed into life after a near-sublime moment from Osman after 63 minutes. The midfielder danced past West Brom players into the area. He should have shot, but passed to Arteta. His cross went for a corner. And, from the same player's delivery, Rodwell headed home.
This, though, was disallowed by Rob Styles, who judged Paul Robinson to have been impeded. From Moyes came what had been brewing for a while: real fury. And, while still raging, Arteta fed Osman inside the area. Now his shot beat Scott Carson - and this time the goal stood.'
Dom1878
Player Valuation: £60m
That's almost a different thread in itself, personal top 5 players in the squad.
I agree (as will most) Pienaar is in the top 5 of our club. But I think he lies about 5th or even 6th (imo) whereas (for my 2p) Ossie is always above him in the ranking for the goal threat he provides.
If I had to put my top players in a list in terms of importance to the team. I guess my list would go something like :
- Yakubu
- Arteta
- Lescott
- Howard
- Osman
- Pienaar
- Vaughan
- Cahill
I think everyones mileage may vary.
Also people are saying Ossie in the mid, Pienaar on the wing. But I don't think that aspect comes in to the decision. Only one will make it in to the starting 11 (I guess) if we get more midfielders in (that are higher quality than both mentioned players), so one must be dropped it seems. Position is irrelevant (although Ossie can player on the wing or centre)
- Cahill
- Arteta
- Lescott
- Howard
- Yakubu
- Yobo
- Jagielka
- Pienaar
- Vaughan
- Osman
(i have a very low opinion of Osman)
HalewoodBlue
Player Valuation: £8m
Surprised Ossie has so many votes to be honest, Pienaar by a mile
So we are talking about dropping players now!
Has to be Ossie on current form hes always likely to score to he really has improved his game in the last two seasons! Sometimes i think if he was foregin a lot more of our fans would like him.
Has to be Ossie on current form hes always likely to score to he really has improved his game in the last two seasons! Sometimes i think if he was foregin a lot more of our fans would like him.
If it came to the crunch I could probably sleep with Pienaar if I squinted my eyes. So it has to be him.
McBain
Player Valuation: £80m
Toughie alright.
Both similar, both skillful, quick, small. I cant split them really.
Id start the one that gets paid more until he get injured then Id bring the other one on.
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a0adda7a38407b7f79d018bb861e8eff
Both similar, both skillful, quick, small. I cant split them really.
Id start the one that gets paid more until he get injured then Id bring the other one on.
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a0adda7a38407b7f79d018bb861e8eff
Im [Poor language removed] at things like this but, click to see whats going down in the Finch Farm treatment room witb Baz Rathbone and friends.
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=370628db840cf14db20b99251ad46998
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=370628db840cf14db20b99251ad46998
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Thats a classic.
Ta lar. I had no idea myself where it was going either, and still dont.
FinchFarmBlue
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Osman for me just. Although very difficult to choose really as they both offer something different to the team. Pienaar statisically provides more assists, but Osman has popped up with more than a few important goals in the last 5 years. Both are lightweight and get pushed off the ball,on the other hand, both can link up with Arteta and the forwards well too. Although I'd be gutted to see either left out the team when fully fit, if the reason was more midfield signings, then when either or both played they may move on to a completely new level and thrive on the competition for places (yes I did say that !!!). Both are hitting their peak in the next year or two-can't say 'watch this space' as taken by BK so just to say will enjoy seeing how they each cope with the challenges ahead.
!!!). Both are hitting their peak in the next year or two-can't say 'watch this space' as taken by BK so just to say will enjoy seeing how they each cope with the challenges ahead.
toffeestillidie
Player Valuation: £35m
i voted ossie, just because, if players like fernandes and beattie have shown is anything, its that one good season with everton does not mean you'll ever be good again. ossie's proved himself to us repeatedly, but i'd imagine they'd alternate with considerably even playing time.
the type of game makes a difference too, i think osman is better to play against a weaker team, if you look at the goals he most commonly scores, the opposition isn't usually top class. I'm not saying he's not good enough for top teams, just that his style of play is somewhat high risk, he'll dribble into patches of people a lot for instance, and he can get away with that against good teams.
pienaar on the other hand, does a lot of backheels and fancy junk like that, the kind of stuff not needed against weaker opposition, but the stuff that adds creativity to our play when we're playing against higher up teams.
personally i think swp will be a somewhat poor signing (though i suppose anything is good at this point), our midfield will make michael owen look like a giant. as far as im concerned, he'll have to fight for his spot in training just like all the others, and the gaffer can decide who's spot he should take.
the type of game makes a difference too, i think osman is better to play against a weaker team, if you look at the goals he most commonly scores, the opposition isn't usually top class. I'm not saying he's not good enough for top teams, just that his style of play is somewhat high risk, he'll dribble into patches of people a lot for instance, and he can get away with that against good teams.
pienaar on the other hand, does a lot of backheels and fancy junk like that, the kind of stuff not needed against weaker opposition, but the stuff that adds creativity to our play when we're playing against higher up teams.
personally i think swp will be a somewhat poor signing (though i suppose anything is good at this point), our midfield will make michael owen look like a giant. as far as im concerned, he'll have to fight for his spot in training just like all the others, and the gaffer can decide who's spot he should take.
Arteta2391
Player Valuation: £30m
Excellent thread
It took some time to make my decision since I rate both highly but I'm going with Pienaar on this one. We all know Osman is a hard worker but he is just too damn small ( I know Pienaar is small too but he is more fierce and uses his body more to defend the ball)
It also has to do with my favorite type of players (Arteta,Okochoa,Ronaldinho,Denilson etc) all players who have superb dribbling skills and really add an interesting flair to the most beautiful game in the world.
It took some time to make my decision since I rate both highly but I'm going with Pienaar on this one. We all know Osman is a hard worker but he is just too damn small ( I know Pienaar is small too but he is more fierce and uses his body more to defend the ball)
It also has to do with my favorite type of players (Arteta,Okochoa,Ronaldinho,Denilson etc) all players who have superb dribbling skills and really add an interesting flair to the most beautiful game in the world.
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