What's the best way for THE FANS to sample on field success?

[PhilRegan]

100% this ^^

There will be fans of this club five years from now still preaching "patience". They can do one. We've been patient for thirty years.

Some goon will be along soon with a condescending tone calling me unrealistic and asking me "what do I want, we were battling relegation the last three years". Losers beget losing begets more losers. We need an attitude adjustment from fans, through the coaches and players, all the way up to the executive. Without it, we'll just carry on making up the numbers, pretending that a top half finish is an achievement. NSNO shouldn't just be some embroidery it should be our no.1 aspiration. We won't get it every time but it should be what we strive for every time.

Ye same guys " really hope we don't get Europe this year, so we can probably bed the squad in next season " absolutely crackers

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

100% this ^^

There will be fans of this club five years from now still preaching "patience". They can do one. We've been patient for thirty years.

Some goon will be along soon with a condescending tone calling me unrealistic and asking me "what do I want, we were battling relegation the last three years". Losers beget losing begets more losers. We need an attitude adjustment from fans, through the coaches and players, all the way up to the executive. Without it, we'll just carry on making up the numbers, pretending that a top half finish is an achievement. NSNO shouldn't just be some embroidery it should be our no.1 aspiration. We won't get it every time but it should be what we strive for every time.

I'm one of those fans talking about patience, but that doesn't mean you're not wrong either. I'm hoping that long term success will occur once we build some solid foundations after the absolute horror show of the Moshiri era, but that doesn't mean I'm not realistic enough to know deep down that we're still gonna end up rubbish. It's the hope that gets you in the end.

 

[hallamblue]

I think a lot of fans are happy to 'build', whatever that means.

31 years without any form of success and we went out of both cups this season without even trying.

Some fans will argue we're a big club while telling others they're nuts for wanting success. They need to make their minds up.

Right now fans of Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth have bigger aspirations than us..

Is that really where we are as a club? Because we've had some bad seasons we 'should be careful what we wish for'?

It's sad to see. There shouldn't ever be a season where Everton aren't aiming to try and win some sort of silverware.

The difference between Everton and Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth (other than that they're well run clubs) is that we have a higher ceiling. If we had the success Man City have had, we'd be one of the biggest clubs in world football. Getting there is another matter though.

 

[st.domingo]

Jesus, just looked at the vote, some people!

Yes. Only one vote for the Moyesiah

cc. @Daveysgingerlovechild

 

[Benicetoourboys]

Yes. Only one vote for the Moyesiah

cc. @Daveysgingerlovechild

Was thinking more of the ones who voted Man City, I know its a joke poll but the last few days I've no sense of humour.

 

[hallamblue]

Was thinking more of the ones who voted Man City, I know its a joke poll but the last few days I've no sense of humour.

The thread is entitled what's the best way to sample success, and the best way is obviously to support Man City. I mean, I wouldn't get any joy out of pretending to support anyone else, and am also lucky that I'm old enough to have seen us win 2 league championships, 2 FA cups and a European trophy, but for anyone under 30 I would totally understand it.

 

[st.domingo]

Was thinking more of the ones who voted Man City, I know its a joke poll but the last few days I've no sense of humour.

Yes, I know - they’ll be goosed when Pep goes in any case, you fools!

Our time will come.

 

[FCBarça]

Whenever I have been asked about love for football, I always answer its a question of the sustainability of the joy the play evokes. And for me, the other sectors of a club are a fundamental part of it - from the club's culture, cantera as well as the other sports & teams at the club. When the men's team were rudderless under Bartomeu at Barça, for example, I found a lot of joy from Femeni's football that carries on today. Same applies to the youth teams at Barça, most cules follow different age groups - I focus on Barça Atletic (U21) and Juvenil A (U17)

I enjoy the matchday experience and the vibe in the city, trophies are one metric fans obsess about but there are many other external factors that are implicated in those outcomes so my metric has always been what evokes joy and football when it is played in a beautiful way is never measured through titles but the eye test and what it stirs in you. Clubs should function less like a corporate logo and more on the cultural ecosystem - the rest is noise IMHO

 

[DualityNSNO]

Whenever I have been asked about love for football, I always answer its a question of the sustainability of the joy the play evokes. And for me, the other sectors of a club are a fundamental part of it - from the club's culture, cantera as well as the other sports & teams at the club. When the men's team were rudderless under Bartomeu at Barça, for example, I found a lot of joy from Femeni's football that carries on today. Same applies to the youth teams at Barça, most cules follow different age groups - I focus on Barça Atletic (U21) and Juvenil A (U17)

I enjoy the matchday experience and the vibe in the city, trophies are one metric fans obsess about but there are many other external factors that are implicated in those outcomes so my metric has always been what evokes joy and football when it is played in a beautiful way is never measured through titles but the eye test and what it stirs in you. Clubs should function less like a corporate logo and more on the cultural ecosystem - the rest is noise IMHO

And when you don't enjoy watching Barca, it's ok, they'll just activate a cheat way no one's ever heard of or seen, bend the rules and start winning again!

 

[FCBarça]

Yep, that Lamine is a cheat

 

[st.domingo]

Whenever I have been asked about love for football, I always answer its a question of the sustainability of the joy the play evokes. And for me, the other sectors of a club are a fundamental part of it - from the club's culture, cantera as well as the other sports & teams at the club. When the men's team were rudderless under Bartomeu at Barça, for example, I found a lot of joy from Femeni's football that carries on today. Same applies to the youth teams at Barça, most cules follow different age groups - I focus on Barça Atletic (U21) and Juvenil A (U17)

I enjoy the matchday experience and the vibe in the city, trophies are one metric fans obsess about but there are many other external factors that are implicated in those outcomes so my metric has always been what evokes joy and football when it is played in a beautiful way is never measured through titles but the eye test and what it stirs in you. Clubs should function less like a corporate logo and more on the cultural ecosystem - the rest is noise IMHO

Some promising signs coming out of Everton youth these days: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2026/april/19/highlights-everton-under-21-win-12-goal-thriller/

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It seems Evertonians do not want success. They want Joy.

Nice lass, so I've heard.

 

[st.domingo]

It seems Evertonians do not want success. They want Joy.

Nice lass, so I've heard.

Deprived upbringing - but all the stronger for it

 

[wandyr79]

100% this ^^

There will be fans of this club five years from now still preaching "patience". They can do one. We've been patient for thirty years.

Some goon will be along soon with a condescending tone calling me unrealistic and asking me "what do I want, we were battling relegation the last three years". Losers beget losing begets more losers. We need an attitude adjustment from fans, through the coaches and players, all the way up to the executive. Without it, we'll just carry on making up the numbers, pretending that a top half finish is an achievement. NSNO shouldn't just be some embroidery it should be our no.1 aspiration. We won't get it every time but it should be what we strive for every time.

I am one of those that has talked of patience. I am certainly no 'goon', I think.

I am not here to tell you that you should not want everything now, that is fair enough. My patience is geared toward this season, and this season only. It was always going to be a 'transition' year. The team was not good enough, there were/are good players there but the whole attitude of the club needed to change. It is extremely rare that any club has overnight success.

I am also not a loser, in the sense that I want Everton to lose. I want Everton to win, but this season was always going to be up and down, so ti was about keeping those losses to a manageable level. Hopefully, we can ride the next 5 games, get Europe, and really start to build on that and continue to grow.

One question though is, where does the lack of patience go to? I mean, if we get Europe this season, are you still going to be impatient and demand a title win or is there going to be a little bit of patience and want to simply finish higher up, i.e. Europa League instead of Conference, Champions League instead of Europa League or is it straight to title winning stuff. This is where patience is needed, and it is flexible to the individual.

If we don't get Europe then so be it, we have to be looking at qualifying next year, minimum. If we do, then we have to improve on that, minimum.

Being patient does not automatically mean that you are just wanting to stagnate mid table forever, it means that you are OK with seeing incremental improvements, as long as they are big enough increments.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Patronising goons: assemble