Current Affairs What is Woke ?

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Nobody's forcing you to use any terms, yet still here you are bringing it up.

The (Government) Ministerial Department for Work & Pensions policies that individuals are to be referred to by their preferred name, gender pronoun and title, so they kinda are.

A doctor actually lost his job as his religious beliefs dictated that ‘So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them’.”. Bit of a weird argument seeing as Eve was formed from the side of Adam (or his rib, depending on which translation you use) therefore it's completely biologically inaccurate argument for a Doctor to fall back on.
 
The (Government) Ministerial Department for Work & Pensions policies that individuals are to be referred to by their preferred name, gender pronoun and title, so they kinda are.

I mean yes, if you work for them, or apply to. Isn't it obvious that when you work for an employer you have to follow their policies and procedures? The doctor you refer to lost his tribunal case as they didn't find his rights to be a Christian had been infringed on by following the policy of using requested pronouns.

But we don't all work for the DWP so "they kinda aren't".
 
I mean yes, if you work for them, or apply to. Isn't it obvious that when you work for an employer you have to follow their policies and procedures? The doctor you refer to lost his tribunal case as they didn't find his rights to be a Christian had been infringed on by following the policy of using requested pronouns.

But we don't all work for the DWP so "they kinda aren't".

Touch of a contradiction there mate. People are being forced to use language in a manner that violates their views.

This isn't a private company we're talking about - It's a ministerial department of the Government of the United Kingdom, therefore it's state sanctioned compelled speech.
 
The (Government) Ministerial Department for Work & Pensions policies that individuals are to be referred to by their preferred name, gender pronoun and title, so they kinda are.

A doctor actually lost his job as his religious beliefs dictated that ‘So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them’.”. Bit of a weird argument seeing as Eve was formed from the side of Adam (or his rib, depending on which translation you use) therefore it's completely biologically inaccurate argument for a Doctor to fall back on.
Haven't they always done that?

I usually have to say if I'm Mr/Mrs/Miss on any form I've ever filled out.

And they would presumably be bound by the Equality Act.
 
People are being forced to use language in a manner that violates their views.

People aren't being forced to seek employment with the DWP, or any other specific employer in the public or private sector. So no, not a contradiction at all.

The post you replied to wasn't talking about DWP employees, either current or prospective. You can get hung up about them all you like but nobody else cares that much - their working policies aren't affecting me, you (I assume) or a huge percentage of the population.
 
Oh, right. Could you say more?
He believed in the primacy of material explanations of the world (which was in contrast to Hegel's idealism). Scientific discoveries of the time were making people question romantic ideas of nature. Marx believed he was doing the same with the social world, but he was actually pseudoscientific. Nevertheless his materialism is an idea that endures in the social sciences and economics. When people complain about Marxist-postmodernists, they're literally talking nonsense. They're opposites.
 
He believed in the primacy of material explanations of the world (which was in contrast to Hegel's idealism). Scientific discoveries of the time were making people question romantic ideas of nature. Marx believed he was doing the same with the social world, but he was actually pseudoscientific. Nevertheless his materialism is an idea that endures in the social sciences and economics. When people complain about Marxist-postmodernists, they're literally talking nonsense. They're opposites.
Are they? I had no idea. You sound like you have a sociology degree, friend?
 
The (Government) Ministerial Department for Work & Pensions policies that individuals are to be referred to by their preferred name, gender pronoun and title, so they kinda are.

A doctor actually lost his job as his religious beliefs dictated that ‘So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them’.”. Bit of a weird argument seeing as Eve was formed from the side of Adam (or his rib, depending on which translation you use) therefore it's completely biologically inaccurate argument for a Doctor to fall back on.

To be fair that is just a nice thing to do, call somebody by what they want to be called. It is no skin off anybody's nose to do that. I would expect the scenario ,with the extreme majority of the people who work for the DWP, would be to say Mrs directly to the person and when they say "no it is actually Mr" they would apologise and then try to say Mr.

The people who I have been in direct communication with were always of the mindset that if people try then that is good enough for them. They are understanding that we all have an indoctrination of saying certain things, especially those of a more older age. I do struggle at times, my wife is queer and doesn't like female pronouns, etc. The amount of times I say 'she/her' is something that I am trying to work on.

In a blasé example, it is the same as if somebody who is recently divorced doesn't want to be called Mrs. I very much doubt that if somebody said this that anybody would have any problems reverting to Ms/Miss, so why is it a problem from she to he/them or he to she/them?
 
Oh OK if you say so.

I do believe there are many other non-woke "isms" that negatively affect people's lives within UK society, although I'm uncertain where the ownership of means of production fits into any argument around say able-ism or ageism for example.
@datblygu as our resident expert on Marx, what do you think of Slipstreams assertion here?
 
Haven't they always done that?

I usually have to say if I'm Mr/Mrs/Miss on any form I've ever filled out.

And they would presumably be bound by the Equality Act.

You can apply to 'change' your gender legally, therefore what you put on any form you fill out can change from one day to the next.
 
People aren't being forced to seek employment with the DWP, or any other specific employer in the public or private sector. So no, not a contradiction at all.

The post you replied to wasn't talking about DWP employees, either current or prospective. You can get hung up about them all you like but nobody else cares that much - their working policies aren't affecting me, you (I assume) or a huge percentage of the population.

That's not what you said though, and yes - I am being pedantic. People are being forced, by the British Government, to use language adhered to a particular ideology or perspective whether they believe it or not.

And you're right, it doesn't affect me or you, but it does affect 84,550 people in the UK.

Which is a lot of people.
 
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