What happens to Lampard...

[Cool_Blue]

Should be. If we lose we can forget any other points this season. If we lose then we need one final roll of the dice. I know they won't have done this, but I'd expect them to have sounded out somebody already who is ready to come in on a heavily bonus driven contract. Preferably somebody from abroad who has never heard of Michael Keane and Jonjoe Kenny and won't be fooled by them.

I wish I’d never heard of those two

 

[BlueToff]

Whether you want him gone or not (I don’t) it’s far too late to be getting in a defensive manager, for a few reasons.

1) This team has no accomplished backs to the wall defenders.

2) We are too close to the drop, we need wins and not just draws

3) Our attacking players are not clinical enough to play on the counter and guarantee we’ll nick a goal no get those wins

Sometimes in life you just have to accept the lot you’ve been given and hope for the best. This is one of those times. I’d say the odds of changing manager now has an extremely high chance of failing miserably.

This is what people who seem intent on blaming Lampard's tactics (and I think some of them are questionable certainly, his subs included which are crap) are ignoring.

We've tried the defensive approach, for 6 bloody months under that dinosaur we hired in the summer. There's really only the Spurs game where we lost because Lampard went too attacking. The rest of the set ups since have tried to be more conservative yet mistakes from the same players that were making the same mistakes this time last year (people need to go back and watch the kind of goals we conceded during Ancelotti's final 12 games or so) are costing us.

I'm not sold on Lampard and never have been but this idea people have that anybody is going to come in and save us now is beyond a joke. We're stuck with what we've got and we've got to hope it's enough. The frustrating thing is, if we can just stay up, then I think Lampard can lead us forward with a proper summer of sensible recruitment and getting rid of a lot of the squad (or as much as is realistic).

If we go down well, I see the argument for him going but also see why it might be better to try and stick with what you've got but there'd have to be an admission that he did fail to keep us up from having half a season to do so.

 

[BlueToff]

The difference was Benitez has never been renowned for having a leaky defence - if anything he's been renowned for playing dour defensive football.

Lampard on the other hand was criticised at Chelsea over his teams defending and had similiar issues at Derby.

Some managers are like that (Martinez, Silva, Biesla) but fans need to be honest in the acceptance of that and not expect him to suddenly make us solid after signing 1-2 of his own defenders when they'll not be better than what he had at Chelsea.

But Benitez did have a wide open defence and still played dour football too?

Lampard isn't an overly attacking manager based on what we've seen so far. He's trying to get it to stay tight but these frigging dolts are just making stupid errors.

I am happy to blame him for crap subs, and crap tactics if he gets the set up wrong like at Spurs. But how we set up against West Ham and Burnley would have been enough to get us, at least, 4 points, if we didn't have such crap players. Not because we were trying to be too attacking, but because our players are actually thick.

 

[Carlito]

Whether you want him gone or not (I don’t) it’s far too late to be getting in a defensive manager, for a few reasons.

1) This team has no accomplished backs to the wall defenders.

2) We are too close to the drop, we need wins and not just draws

3) Our attacking players are not clinical enough to play on the counter and guarantee we’ll nick a goal no get those wins

Sometimes in life you just have to accept the lot you’ve been given and hope for the best. This is one of those times. I’d say the odds of changing manager now has an extremely high chance of failing miserably.

No matter how much people wish for it to be the case, there's no John Wayne waiting to walk through the door and save the day.

I had hoped that there would be enough firepower to get us over the line once DCL came back, but the forwards have failed to step up when we've needed them most, and the signings made to reinforce the midfield and defence in January have been largely a waste of time.

Lampard is, in my opinion at least, just another symptom of the incompetent recruitment that's endemic throughout the club, but anyone thinking that this board could get a replacement in before these last two winnable home games are gone is deluding themselves.

 

[billyblue80]

I don't see the point because I don't see anyone getting more out of the group? Yes Lampard is a bit tactically naive and his subs aren't good but it's not surprising when he has about two and a half seasons experience. The main issue is the players application and their braindead decisions and the lack of a spine changing manager again doesn't change that for me. It speaks more to how unbalanced and riddled with issues this squad is. People saying bring a defensive manager in clearly didn't see our attempts to play defensively under Benitez. These players can't do either well. I don't see anyone but Dunc taking it either if he is jettisoned. Also it would prove how many poor decisions this board makes and continues to make.

 

[Carlito]

But Benitez did have a wide open defence and still played dour football too?

Lampard isn't an overly attacking manager based on what we've seen so far. He's trying to get it to stay tight but these frigging dolts are just making stupid errors.

I am happy to blame him for crap subs, and crap tactics if he gets the set up wrong like at Spurs. But how we set up against West Ham and Burnley would have been enough to get us, at least, 4 points, if we didn't have such crap players. Not because we were trying to be too attacking, but because our players are actually thick.

If there was one thing I didn't expect, it was for him to set up how he did.

I didn't love how Ancelotti would often concede midfield in order to pack our third of the pitch, but I understood it. Benitez did it while also leaving the defenders like sitting ducks.

Agent Rafael indeed.

 

[BlueToff]

If there was one thing I didn't expect, it was for him to set up how he did.

I didn't love how Ancelotti would often concede midfield in order to pack our third of the pitch, but I understood it. Benitez did it while also leaving the defenders like sitting ducks.

Agent Rafael indeed.

That set up in the derby lol

And look, Lampard has got things wrong too. That Spurs one was bad (albeit, still individual errors played their part but Lampard set the team up to fail really). But after that he's gone more conservative yet there's still these ridiculous errors. These players just can't do anything unless there's 40,000 Evertonians willing them on. And while Lampard must take his share of the blame and the coaches do too, I just can't understand how professionals can be so bad at their job. That Godfrey 'clearance' is one of the worst bits of defending I have ever, ever seen.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

He will still be our manager

 

[Bluerover]

That set up in the derby lol

And look, Lampard has got things wrong too. That Spurs one was bad (albeit, still individual errors played their part but Lampard set the team up to fail really). But after that he's gone more conservative yet there's still these ridiculous errors. These players just can't do anything unless there's 40,000 Evertonians willing them on. And while Lampard must take his share of the blame and the coaches do too, I just can't understand how professionals can be so bad at their job. That Godfrey 'clearance' is one of the worst bits of defending I have ever, ever seen.

This. They have seen off a load of half decent or arguably world class managers through their rubbish attitude.

Someone posted earlier that Alex Ferguson couldn't get something out of this mob. Totally agree.

If they put down tools again tomorrow I will just give up caring.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

Sacking another manager? Sorry, is this the Watford thread?

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

@Daveysgingerlovechild lovely thread. Beautiful.

 

[MACCA75]

Couldn’t care less if he’s sacked or not tbh. He won’t keep us up, and even if he does, he very clearly isn’t the dour, pragmatic manager that this dismal squad needs.

 

[Carlito]

That set up in the derby lol

And look, Lampard has got things wrong too. That Spurs one was bad (albeit, still individual errors played their part but Lampard set the team up to fail really). But after that he's gone more conservative yet there's still these ridiculous errors. These players just can't do anything unless there's 40,000 Evertonians willing them on. And while Lampard must take his share of the blame and the coaches do too, I just can't understand how professionals can be so bad at their job. That Godfrey 'clearance' is one of the worst bits of defending I have ever, ever seen.

I don't know what's to be done with him long-term.

I think he's destined to be a jack of all trades, John O'Shea type.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

The stadium is the big elephant in the room though. We are probably in too far to pull out now, but we absolutely do not need stadium costs and debt when we are a championship club. If there is any way out of it, then we need to shelve it. Goodison is the only good thing left at this club and this regime are taking it away from us.

I’m old enough to remember when Goodison was state of the art and it even hosted a World Cup semi-final.

But it’s embarrassing now. One of the worst stadiums in the league and it has a small capacity of 30-odd thousand.

As fans we deserve better and as a club we deserve better. We earn far less from match day revenue than our peer clubs.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

These players just can't do anything unless there's 40,000 Evertonians willing them on.

This is why Goodison must be like a bear pit for the final home matches.