What can get people to stand on their own feet?

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

In America we have 2.5-3 million people who are wards of the state and the cost of housing them are anywhere between 40-60K/year. These leeches get a free ride and don't even bother looking for job. Granted its prison but on the bright side you do get free healthcare.

Britain 5 million US only 2.5-3 million
the US numbers can't be right can they? Surely much more are wards of the state? But the unemployment number the Fed is saying arond 9% when it's more likely 22% so I can understand the manipulation thats going on.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Britain 5 million US only 2.5-3 million
the US numbers can't be right can they? Surely much more are wards of the state? But the unemployment number the Fed is saying arond 9% when it's more likely 22% so I can understand the manipulation thats going on.

what are you meaning by 'ward of state' ?

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Britain 5 million US only 2.5-3 million
the US numbers can't be right can they? Surely much more are wards of the state? But the unemployment number the Fed is saying arond 9% when it's more likely 22% so I can understand the manipulation thats going on.

what are you meaning by 'ward of state' ?

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

what are you meaning by 'ward of state' ?

Simply put a person who is on total disability due to a accident or illness or can not be productive to survive on there own without a helping hand. Many are legitimate but some know how to work the system

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think the 3 million number Rook mentioned was number of prisoners currently banged up in America.

 

[Bluelass]

I've gotta say , I'm feelin' DK - as they say in Da' Hood - on this one .

I went to Wearmouth during the Miners Strike . Fuk the Tories , with respect . For ever , Amen .

I don't know how old some of you guys are but any working class person who survived the Thatcher era and came out with some dignity and pride left for themselves and their family, could NEVER, EVER vote for another Tory government. I don't care how many people need to learn to stand on their own two feet at the bottom end of the food chain, I ask this - the people at the top end of said food chain are just as guilty of scrounging from the state - do they pay their taxes in full? Doubt it, so why are they any different from someone who is on benefits? Some of the most wealthy steal money from the state by avoiding taxation. The difference is that while the poor steal pennies the rich steal millions.

Of course this is a sweeping generalisation that would suggest that all rich people are clever with their money and poor people are just scrounging gits , not working but still able to afford SKY and ***s and a booze up on a saturday night.

Dear Lord, heaven preserve us from the Daily Mail and all its middle ingerlander trollocks - I'm surprised they havent front paged with the Union flag every day in the lead up to the election.

I for one will weep if the Tories win this election.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

That is Tosh. My sons survived are were doing fine until this crisis which saw them losing their jobs. They were employed in the construction indistry which this administration has hardly helped. They do not need to retrain to get one of Labours so called skilled jobs, they already have skills in their trade. They managed that wothout any help but by their own determination and desire which many of the people to whom this thread refers do not have but are content to live on benefits.

The real point is to make benefits pay less than having a job.

As for your other sweeping generalisations if things where so bad why did this government not deal with them, they had 13 years to do so. Actually under labour the rich have got richer and the poor poorer.

My mother was working class and survived but as a pensioner she has been worse off under Labour, I can recall one year when her pension increase from Brown was just 25p per week which was obscene.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My folks are working class as well and generally vote Tory.

Anyway, getting back to the present. Welfare represents 30% of the budget at the moment. A budget that is in all manner of [Poor language removed].

 

[atrottel]

Anyway, getting back to the present. Welfare represents 30% of the budget at the moment. A budget that is in all manner of [Poor language removed].

Is that including or excluding banking welfare, Bruce? (Let alone defence industry welfare...)

Anyway, I'm kind of interested where the tragedy of the commons fits into this "get government out of our lives and things will be better because people are good" philosophy. Or is that regarded as a fallacy these days in right-thinking circles?

Q. Why were kids sent up chimneys? A. Because people could. Q. Why have workforces been repeatedly exposed to carcinogenic processes? A. Because
people could. Q. Why are toxic computer parts being exported to Nigeria? A. Because people can. Q. Why were women paid less than men for the same work? A. Because people could. Q. Why was there or is there slavery? A. Because people could and can. Etc. Etc.

 

[KelseyGrammer-Beast-SuitsBlue]

Jersey is a British tax-haven that our adorable former club owner lived and possibly still ives on, how many British millionaires/billionaires hide from the (British)tax man there?
Monaco is the french tax-haven I believe, how many millionaires/billionaires hide there from what I believe is a much lower rate of tax the French tax-man expects them to pay?
Where was the guy recently outed by Labour for funding the Tories with £10mill a year living to be allowed not to pay tax on his fortune yet still be a peer or lord or whatever?
I appreciate that if any government decided to heavily tax the extremely wealthy that said extremely wealthy have the means to stick two fingers up and simply leave the bounds of the country, and very possibly setup residence in Switzerland or the like. So I suppose the question is, if you have made a fortune do you have a duty to pay tax to the Government of the country you made it in?

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

If it is tax and nat. insurance on earnings made in this country then yes. Same if interest on savings is taxable. Same if interest on shares is taxable, and the reason it goes up percentage wise on earnings over an amount is because they can afford it, same as on earnings below an amount the person can't afford it.
Another way that this affects lower earners that are self employed, is that they have to pay tax in advance (on account) due to the gov. being swindled out of massive amounts by the high earners previously, say my tax bill is £10k more for the last year, I actually have to pay £15k more so that they have some on account for next year, and so the initial year that I will have worked harder in, I won't really be much better off due to the extra that I have to give to HMRC.