What can get people to stand on their own feet?

[Bruce Wayne]

5m people currently subsist on state benefits in Britain, which is the same number as did so when Labour came to power in 1997. This despite the billions that have been thrown at this by the government in handouts, get back to work schemes, education iniatives.

What can get people to stand on their own feet?

 

[best little spaniard]

take away state benefits?

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

not all state benefits mean 'on the dole'.
There are a number of benefits, some of which are for people on low incomes and also to provide assistance for people with kids i.e. so that mothers can have the option of actually bringing up their children instead of being forced to work and put their kids into childcare and pick them up just in time for going to bed, working 40 hours a week to be 40/50 quid a week better off.
As I say, not all benefits are 'dole.'

 

[bigbadjeff]

take away state benefits?

THIS
The welfare state which was set up as a safetynet for the poorest in our society has now become so bloated it has become a way of life for some. We could all relate tales of those abusing the system but the abuse has become so endemic that a root and branch review needs to take place.

How many on the benefits that we have now would vote out a Labour government and put their way of life at risk. The only change will come through a change in peoples' ethics, this won't happen overnight. I will be retired ( seven years to go ) before we see any change. It is called evolution, and everything evolves slowly.

 

[best little spaniard]

not all state benefits mean 'on the dole'.
There are a number of benefits, some of which are for people on low incomes and also to provide assistance for people with kids i.e. so that mothers can have the option of actually bringing up their children instead of being forced to work and put their kids into childcare and pick them up just in time for going to bed, working 40 hours a week to be 40/50 quid a week better off.
As I say, not all benefits are 'dole.'

Yes, this is true. I was being a bit tongue in cheek.

 

[best little spaniard]

I suppose there has to be an incentive for people to work. At the moment, this isn't there, because you can sit at home quite happily and live off the dole.


How abouts we take away unemployment pay, and build lots of factories that produce cheap goods, and employ said unemployed people. We'd increase Britains economic output, reduce unemployment and reduce people on benefits.

Bloody hell, I should be prime minister

 

[chicoazul]

not all state benefits mean 'on the dole'.
There are a number of benefits, some of which are for people on low incomes and also to provide assistance for people with kids i.e. so that mothers can have the option of actually bringing up their children instead of being forced to work and put their kids into childcare and pick them up just in time for going to bed, working 40 hours a week to be 40/50 quid a week better off.
As I say, not all benefits are 'dole.'

Really, really super points from the best all round poster on this forum.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Very true Reidy but there are many who take advantage of our benefits system, no coincidence that we have tens of thousands trying to get into the country legally and illegally the majority of which have no other skill than being able to hold their hands out.

 

[davek]

Give them a job in the financial world - a bank or somewhere there's no handouts to be had...hold on.....

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Everyone should start a small business and cream the £150,000 that it inevitably brings.

the thing is b.l.s. to produce cheap goods you have to pay peanuts and then the gov. still ends up paying tax credits (which can be more than dole) as well as giving grants to companies to start up, that then move on when the grants dry up and the workers end up back on the dole.

 

[little curly alan ball]

5m people currently subsist on state benefits in Britain, which is the same number as did so when Labour came to power in 1997. This despite the billions that have been thrown at this by the government in handouts, get back to work schemes, education iniatives.

What can get people to stand on their own feet?

I'm on benefits . ( I AM a Scouser , after all . )
I've got a degree and speak a couple of languages , but I'm waiting on some Hossy treatment , thus am un-employable , just at the minute .
People are different . Some don't mind no job . others take their own lives .
Me ?? I'm just bored rigid , to be honest .
Hence this G.O.T. [Poor language removed] all day .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

not all state benefits mean 'on the dole'.
There are a number of benefits, some of which are for people on low incomes and also to provide assistance for people with kids i.e. so that mothers can have the option of actually bringing up their children instead of being forced to work and put their kids into childcare and pick them up just in time for going to bed, working 40 hours a week to be 40/50 quid a week better off.
As I say, not all benefits are 'dole.'

So will there always be people on benefits, or is it a system that exists to help in the short-term until people are able to support themselves?

 

[little curly alan ball]

Really, really super points from the best all round poster on this forum.

Places hands over Ego's ears , ...

Reluctantly , I concur .

 

[little curly alan ball]

So will there always be people on benefits, or is it a system that exists to help in the short-term until people are able to support themselves?

It's both . That's the beauty of it .
oh , and it's only open to so much abuse due to the mind-blowingly , kickass brilliance of it in the first place .
Free meds / schools / rents for all british subjects for time in immorial .

Take a bow , Mr. Bevin !!!

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

So will there always be people on benefits, or is it a system that exists to help in the short-term until people are able to support themselves?

well with 3 kids we would have to be earning 60k to not be on benefits of any kind as we would get tax credits up until when we earn that, in all reality we aint gonna earn it so will always be on some kind of benefit. The most I have earned for doing a skilled trade on rotating shifts (which hinders the mrs ability to work because of the strange shift patterns i was on) was £30k, so the likelyhood of her indoors earning that as well are very slim, with a family to bring up the chance to retrain is now basically gone. the 30k gave a good standard of living but that is long gone now and the chances to get that in engineering have also diminished to zero.
I think that answers the question.

I'm not saying I'm happy to scrounge I'm saying that is the situation that sees people classed as 'on benefits.'