Were we ever this bad....

Would you have bobby back/rewind the clock knowing everything that has happened?

  • Yes

    Votes: 49 25.4%
  • No

    Votes: 116 60.1%
  • Maybe, aslong as we still got investment

    Votes: 23 11.9%
  • Cheese on toast.

    Votes: 5 2.6%

  • Total voters
    193
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Dave, please stop re-writing history.

Moyes spent 13m NET over his 11 years at the club.
We also went 2 years without signing a first team player.

By all means call him a bottler, by all means call him negative, but please, try and stick to FACTS regarding the money he had to spend.
2002/2009. A period when Moyes was well catered for.
 
Tough to judge. Obviously Martinez had access to better players and players less old than they are now - e.g. jags Baines.

He essentially rode the coat tails of Moyes plus luckily obtained Lukaku.

Allardyce has been handed the worst squad since the darkest days of Smith.

He’s had to contend with nonsense like Keane, Tosun and Schneiderlin as replacements for a decent Jags, Barkley and Lukaku.

Basically you’re comparing apples and oranges.
 
Tough to judge. Obviously Martinez had access to better players and players less old than they are now - e.g. jags Baines.

He essentially rode the coat tails of Moyes plus luckily obtained Lukaku.

Allardyce has been handed the worst squad since the darkest days of Smith.

He’s had to contend with nonsense like Keane, Tosun and Schneiderlin.

Basically you’re comparing apples and oranges.
Luckily bought Lukaku.

How was that lucky?
 
Ha Ha ha. That old chestnut.

Wrong. Desperate and wrong.

We played a different way at the back under Martinez. The only carry over was the personnel.

Not as bad as your old chestnut keep going back to RM's first season as being the be all and end all but you did ignore to a great extent his following seasons.
 
Average place finish 7th/8th (with a 17th thrown in that nearly killed us)...oh, and his budget was pretty healthy up till 2009 - £36M net spend in fact (which translates in today's inflated market to about £150M); there was a net spend every season except for when Rooney was sold, and a regularly breaking of our transfer record.

Your two fallacies nailed.


I dont claim he was a visionary. I state that he wanted to play attractive attacking possession based football....unlike the rest of the dogs who've been our manager in recent years. And I place the facts on the table of a never to be bettered PL season when it came together for him to prove that.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

No.

Why did you even bother writing this total guff? Strange, strange man lol

A 4th place finish, 2 x 5th place finishes, a cup final, semi finals etc etc...all those things and more that make your willy seemingly hard for Martinez.
 
Well catered for, we sold the greatest English talent of the last 50 years.

If thats getting "taken care of", well count me out.

He wasnt manager from 2002 to 2009, he was our manager for 11 years and in that time he spent 13m.
He got that cash to spend PLUS £36M more.

Poor old Moyesie. How did he manage?
 
Not as bad as your old chestnut keep going back to RM's first season as being the be all and end all but you did ignore to a great extent his following seasons.
It's a hammer that smashes through all arguments that Martinez was somehow an inferior manger to the series of troglodyte belters we've had for 20 years.

One of them was better than Martinez? Well there'll be some evidence of that lying about somewhere. The fact is that never in a million years would any of those predecessors or successors have got this club 21 wins in a season.
 
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