Were we ever this bad....

[davek]

Dave, please stop re-writing history.

Moyes spent 13m NET over his 11 years at the club.
We also went 2 years without signing a first team player.

By all means call him a bottler, by all means call him negative, but please, try and stick to FACTS regarding the money he had to spend.

2002/2009. A period when Moyes was well catered for.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Tough to judge. Obviously Martinez had access to better players and players less old than they are now - e.g. jags Baines.

He essentially rode the coat tails of Moyes plus luckily obtained Lukaku.

Allardyce has been handed the worst squad since the darkest days of Smith.

He’s had to contend with nonsense like Keane, Tosun and Schneiderlin as replacements for a decent Jags, Barkley and Lukaku.

Basically you’re comparing apples and oranges.

 

[davek]

Tough to judge. Obviously Martinez had access to better players and players less old than they are now - e.g. jags Baines.

He essentially rode the coat tails of Moyes plus luckily obtained Lukaku.

Allardyce has been handed the worst squad since the darkest days of Smith.

He’s had to contend with nonsense like Keane, Tosun and Schneiderlin.

Basically you’re comparing apples and oranges.

Luckily bought Lukaku.

How was that lucky?

 

[MikeH72]

None of those were as bad as the 0-2 against Arsenal the week after we beat Chelsea in the cup. That was one of the worst things I've ever sat through at Goodison.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Luckily bought Lukaku.

How was that lucky?

Asked about Demba Ba and came away with Lukaku.

 

[Goat]

2002/2009. A period when Moyes was well catered for.

Well catered for, we sold the greatest English talent of the last 50 years.

If thats getting "taken care of", well count me out.

He wasnt manager from 2002 to 2009, he was our manager for 11 years and in that time he spent 13m.

 

[Toffeelover]

Ha Ha ha. That old chestnut.

Wrong. Desperate and wrong.

We played a different way at the back under Martinez. The only carry over was the personnel.

Not as bad as your old chestnut keep going back to RM's first season as being the be all and end all but you did ignore to a great extent his following seasons.

 

[Goat]

I mean in the season that Moyes got us 4th, he spent MINUS 20m.

But Dave, 74 from Wigan thinks he was given City money.

 

[Efctheblue123]

Why are trying to choose between garbage managers like Martinez and Sam

 

[Efctheblue123]

Finally. Martinez was just as bad as Smith etc

 

[davek]

Asked about Demba Ba and came away with Lukaku.

Did well then: bought a record goalscorer and left Ba at Chelsea to deny Liverpool the title.

<salutes>

 

[Thomasc]

Average place finish 7th/8th (with a 17th thrown in that nearly killed us)...oh, and his budget was pretty healthy up till 2009 - £36M net spend in fact (which translates in today's inflated market to about £150M); there was a net spend every season except for when Rooney was sold, and a regularly breaking of our transfer record.

Your two fallacies nailed.


I dont claim he was a visionary. I state that he wanted to play attractive attacking possession based football....unlike the rest of the dogs who've been our manager in recent years. And I place the facts on the table of a never to be bettered PL season when it came together for him to prove that.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.

No.

Why did you even bother writing this total guff? Strange, strange man lol

A 4th place finish, 2 x 5th place finishes, a cup final, semi finals etc etc...all those things and more that make your willy seemingly hard for Martinez.

 

[davek]

Well catered for, we sold the greatest English talent of the last 50 years.

If thats getting "taken care of", well count me out.

He wasnt manager from 2002 to 2009, he was our manager for 11 years and in that time he spent 13m.

He got that cash to spend PLUS £36M more.

Poor old Moyesie. How did he manage?

 

[Connor]

None of those were as bad as the 0-2 against Arsenal the week after we beat Chelsea in the cup. That was one of the worst things I've ever sat through at Goodison.

Grim day that.

I couldn't bring myself to find it though MikeFradnino.

 

[davek]

Not as bad as your old chestnut keep going back to RM's first season as being the be all and end all but you did ignore to a great extent his following seasons.

It's a hammer that smashes through all arguments that Martinez was somehow an inferior manger to the series of troglodyte belters we've had for 20 years.

One of them was better than Martinez? Well there'll be some evidence of that lying about somewhere. The fact is that never in a million years would any of those predecessors or successors have got this club 21 wins in a season.