We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

[The binman chronicles]

Getting PTSD from his "this is our truth" comments.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Getting PTSD from his "this is our truth" comments.

"we all know"
"you know like the rest of us"
"when you admit the truth to yourself you can be set free..."

 

[Benicetoourboys]

If I had his money I'd just be on a beach somewhere, never mind this football manager malarkey which just doesn't suit him anymore.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Super Ken McNaught]

Couldn’t help myself so watched a little of SD’s post match interview seeing how many times he mentioned ‘shape’, ‘mentality’ and the ‘basics’ of the game. I didn’t time it but I’m sure they were all mentioned in the first 30 seconds.

The guy has nothing else in his managerial toolkit. Same at every club regardless of quality of playing staff.

My favourite quote from one of the Forest fans forums was 'watching Unai Emery on the touchline, next to Sean Dyche, was like watching Kasparov playing chess with Homer Simpson'........captured it perfectly.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Dyche has convinced so many people that he saved Everton with his rubbish tactics and gibberish

“but no one else wanted the job”, “he had rubbish players though”, “the club was a mess”

Classic Stockholm syndrome

No, that's the truth. I never wanted the guy and wouldn't go back to that time for anything, but it's pure revisionist history to dismiss his work in both 22-23 and 23-24. I'm not exaggerating here when I say that the club was on the brink of oblivion. It's not a question of him being a tactical genius, I think we all know that he's nothing like that. But it's wrong to pretend that his back to basics outlook wasn't a vast improvement of whatever it was that the pig and Lampard were trying do and that it stopped the rot and got us over the line in a time when that was acceptable given the circumstances surrounding the club. He can be an incredibly poor manager and also have played a part in saving the clubs PL status, both of those things are true. Its not Stockholm syndrome to acknowledge reality.

 

[coollino]

They looked a bit green again

 

[Rita_Poon]

^^ I think that there's a bit of middle ground. There's an old saying... 'don't pish down my leg and tell me it's raining'. It is in part a matter of likeability, had SD shown a bit more humility, had the narrative been less inane and a touch more honest, then acceptance amongst the support would have been fuller.
Maybe I'm naïve, and the aura he projected was essential to building belief in the players he had and needed signed up to his ways, it just stank a bit and coupled with shizz on a stick football then excuses afterwards eventually took its toll.

It's easy managing haaland and kdb and mahrez than it is trying to squeeze a tune out of doucoure, lindstrom and mykolenko. granted.

 

[Rita_Poon]

They looked a bit green again

this is a pun isn't it.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I dont care what happens to Forest or Dyche (certainly not Forest) but I know one thing: I will be eternally grateful we had a manager like Dyche at the helm when the world came at us to try and destroy us as a top flight club. He faced that challenge and got us through it.

That's something no one can ever take away from him.

"Eternally greatful."

Meanwhile you've also described Moyes as "scum"

Get off your knees and stop licking Dyches arse ffs. Your cringeworthy agenda couldn't be more transparent.

 

[Sharpies volley]

They may as well ask him to do one press conference when he takes over at a club cause he's wearing their kit and play it over and over again.
"its the same since I came here" rubs head.
"the players know that, I know that, you know, I've said it to you guys" rubs head.
"I try not listen to the noise" rubs head.

 

[Jokerdan]

Never a fan of Sean Dyche but there is little doubt he was the man for the moment. However, I don't think it was necessarily his tactics that saved us, more the players who pulled together rather than be tarnished as members of an Everton squad that got us relegated...and, of course, the fans who although disillusioned still stuck by the team and filled out GP and the away allocation every match to push us over the line. Not many, if any, other clubs supporters would do that.

 

[davek]

"Eternally greatful."

Meanwhile you've also described Moyes as "scum"

Get off your knees and stop licking Dyches arse ffs. Your cringeworthy agenda couldn't be more transparent.

Grateful.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Grateful.

We'd all be grateful if you stopped chatting utter wham Dave. Its been beyond tedious for years now.

 

[davek]

We'd all be grateful if you stopped chatting utter wham Dave. Its been beyond tedious for years now.

Listen, I'm being tagged into this thread and I dont mind responding to the constant vilification of our former manager by re-stating a few of cold hard facts:

1/ He saved our bacon twice in three seasons and that's why we're still in the PL - and it's why that stadium isn't a white elephant down at the docks.

2/ His attitude to this club and its fans has been exemplary when considered in comparison with how Moyes has trashed the club and its fans over time...something most/many of his current worshippers choose conveniently to ignore time after time.

3/ His record at Forest so far in his opening 15 games is slightly better than Moyes' last 15 games for Everton.

These are inconvenient truths that get howled down with personal attacks on me. I'm not remotely bothered by that. Sometimes you have to take the brickbats when calling out a mob and their - shall we say - 'inconsistencies'?