We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

Final position

  • Top 4

    Votes: 22 6.4%

  • Other European Qualification

    Votes: 63 18.4%

  • Top 10 outside Europe

    Votes: 57 16.7%

  • Complete capitulation bottom half.

    Votes: 200 58.5%
  • Total voters
    342

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davek said:
In a season when they came for us with a 12 point deduction this man got us over the finishing line with 14 points to spare over the third bottom team.

No need for any fuss or excited deliberations over who or what he is and where he is now, just tip your hat and say 'thanks Sean...thanks very much'.


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Why’s it bother you that other people think he is garbage?
 
Saint Domingo said:
It’s gone from a good chance to not a massive stretch now. A good chance we wouldn’t have got 9 more points? Come on.

Everyone knew Dyche was going either once the ownership change happened or at the end of the season. The context of that vs a new (and better) manager coming in with new owners couldn’t be more different in terms of player motivation. In the exact same way a team utterly wayward under Lampard beat Arsenal who were flying at the top of the league under Dyche in his first game and then added almost 50% more points the next season. The context of the environment players and managers operate in just seems to get completely forgotten about when discussing results .
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Why do you care that other people think he is garbage?
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
I think we would have struggled to amass those points under Dyche, yes

He'd clearly thrown in the towel by then and was out of ideas

I won't take away from him the things he achieved whilst here, but anyone arguing he wasn't deservedly sacked when he was, and that sacking him essentially rescued the season, has an agenda and nothing more IMO
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No one is arguing he didn’t deserve to go. I said as soon as the takeover occurred it wouldn’t bother me if he went the next day and that we shouldn’t renew his contract. It was horses for courses, the job in Jan 23 under the end days of Moshiri was completely different to what it was in Jan 25 and the start of the Freidkins; they required different managers, and one day in the future after Moyes has taken us as far as he can there might be a different job for another manager to do.

What I contest is the simultaneous narrative that in 23 anyone could have kept us up because Leeds and Leicester were terrible, but somehow we were definitely going down in a season when Leicester got 25 points in third bottom.
 
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