Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £60m
No there is not, but that sort of person costs money and usually clubs who have players like that want to keep them. We need Marcel to find us a gem with something like this.
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orly
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I do think it is part of a wider, fundamental problem of recruitment in recent years and one of the few areas that Brands has not addressed yet.
With the exception of Barry - and I do include Rooney - not one 'leader' has been bought for the club in a very long time. Phil Neville was a soundbite lickspittle.
Indeed, we have also been plagued by several cowards - the Sniv, Klaassen and others - who have actively shirked responsibility, much like Jagielka.
Our truly great sides of the 80s notwithstanding, if you look at the great Premier League sides they have all had leaders in the side beyond just undisputed captains - Arsenal had players like Keown, Lauren, Lehmann, United had Rooney when he was actually bothered and Vidic, Chelsea had Drogba - we've rarely had a cohort of leaders in one side. In fact in the 2000s onwards, I'm not really sure we ever have.
With the exception of Barry - and I do include Rooney - not one 'leader' has been bought for the club in a very long time. Phil Neville was a soundbite lickspittle.
Indeed, we have also been plagued by several cowards - the Sniv, Klaassen and others - who have actively shirked responsibility, much like Jagielka.
Our truly great sides of the 80s notwithstanding, if you look at the great Premier League sides they have all had leaders in the side beyond just undisputed captains - Arsenal had players like Keown, Lauren, Lehmann, United had Rooney when he was actually bothered and Vidic, Chelsea had Drogba - we've rarely had a cohort of leaders in one side. In fact in the 2000s onwards, I'm not really sure we ever have.
PeregrineT
Player Valuation: £40m
Ah, thats why you dont like him, not enough space for both of your ego's...
Part of it is we have a young squad. Kenny at younger age groups was a real leader. Calvert Lewin is mentally strong as well. McCarthy is a leader on the pitch. It's hard though, t o get a layer of the right quality, age and character.
gonetomorrow
Player Valuation: £80m
Cap'n Birdseed. Ooh aar me hearties.
Brownie
Player Valuation: £70m
Tim Cahill.
The Penalty Box Dancer
Player Valuation: £35m
We can almost rule out the players who can't be captains and it only leaves one choice, Coleman.
Ideally I'd like Tom Davies to be getting to the point where he should be starting to lead the team from midfield but he hasn't got that about him. I think we all know what we want in a captain and it's someone cut from the cloth of Labone and Ratcliffe.
They made Alan Ball captain once and he was more focused on dictating to the other players it affected his natural game.
Ideally I'd like Tom Davies to be getting to the point where he should be starting to lead the team from midfield but he hasn't got that about him. I think we all know what we want in a captain and it's someone cut from the cloth of Labone and Ratcliffe.
They made Alan Ball captain once and he was more focused on dictating to the other players it affected his natural game.
..I remember Ashley Williams being brought in specifically for his ‘leadership qualities’.
orly
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Unusually with your posts, I don't agree with any of that!
McCarthy vs Palace a few seasons ago didn't want to be on the pitch and was looking to get sent off - can't think of a time he has ever shown real leadership.
Cameron Manning
Player Valuation: £35m
I think Jonjo can be a future captain at Everton, a winner who hates losing, it was hard for him to come into the team and squad last season with the mentality they had and a poor one as well, nevertheless I thought he did well, but really young players like Jonjo should be eased into a team with senior players to help him along, instead Jonjo was thrown into a team where the senior players were struggling and it was every man for himself. Jonjo should get more playing time this season in a better team with better players to help him, I have no worries about Kenny being good enough he is more than able.
Unusually with your posts, I don't agree with any of that!
McCarthy vs Palace a few seasons ago didn't want to be on the pitch and was looking to get sent off - can't think of a time he has ever shown real leadership.
I think you pulled me up on the Davies can be like Peinaar mate, and you definitely have the better end of that debate ha ha!
Thats fair enough. I think he plays well in big games and relishes them. He challenges refs, gets in the face of opponents. Against United last season when they had a training match he came on and kicked their best player (Pogba) hard and seemed to relish it. The season before he was a big catalyst in beating Arsenal, I remember him flattening Xhaka early doors (who was acting the hard man). Likewise a few days later against Liverpool he nullified them.
The issue for McCarthy is his injury record. Some of it is down to muscle injuries, others is just bad luck. There is also an argument for me as to whether he is good enough. Thats not been aided by many occasions where he has played (I believe injured).
I think he is a leader though. The question for me around McCarthy is whether he can be a leader in a side in the Premier League.
I think Jonjo showed a lot of character. At youth level he's shown bucket loads as well. Seemed to really thrive in the derby games as well which is no mean feat for a 20 year old, playing Mane/Salah.
Again the issue is whether he is good enough. I'd be more concerned of his physical attributes. Mentally he is good though.
Thats it in a nutshell Colemans form has dipped after being given the armband - hard to see any leaders on the pitch atm imo
Kenshin
Player Valuation: £40m
Always felt over the last few years we should never have inherited the armband but bought a captain instead. Rooney was a massive missed opportunity considering he was past it but 2 years ago was the prime time to do it.
Go out and spend on a winner. Not relegation crap but go and sign a leader, a winner and pay whatever it took to get him here. Then throw the armband on him and have him lead by example for the rest of the trophy shy squad.
The reason we don't have a leader is because we keep believing we have one and yet these 'leaders' have won or achieved the grand total of naff all. Perhaps buying a captain who know the level AND can perform at the level is exactly the answer we needed. That way when we went into the market we weren't trying to buy a team but sign better players to then play around them, to actually say we are buying you Walcott and tosun for quality . The captain would have had to have been high profile in this scenario sure, but instead we bought from the bottom of the league instead.
Our only hope now is that our core of quality who have arrived (Pickford , mina digne, gomes, Bernard) form the nucleus for what Everton should be , not what we currently are. Then the young players like Davies richarldson lewen holgate can then raise their game to their level rather than assume they are the level already.
And that is where you would hope behind the scenes the best captain we have steps forward and is the one that pushes the team on this season with the loudest voice. Could it be Pickford? Too early but possibly one day in the future
Go out and spend on a winner. Not relegation crap but go and sign a leader, a winner and pay whatever it took to get him here. Then throw the armband on him and have him lead by example for the rest of the trophy shy squad.
The reason we don't have a leader is because we keep believing we have one and yet these 'leaders' have won or achieved the grand total of naff all. Perhaps buying a captain who know the level AND can perform at the level is exactly the answer we needed. That way when we went into the market we weren't trying to buy a team but sign better players to then play around them, to actually say we are buying you Walcott and tosun for quality . The captain would have had to have been high profile in this scenario sure, but instead we bought from the bottom of the league instead.
Our only hope now is that our core of quality who have arrived (Pickford , mina digne, gomes, Bernard) form the nucleus for what Everton should be , not what we currently are. Then the young players like Davies richarldson lewen holgate can then raise their game to their level rather than assume they are the level already.
And that is where you would hope behind the scenes the best captain we have steps forward and is the one that pushes the team on this season with the loudest voice. Could it be Pickford? Too early but possibly one day in the future
Cameron Manning
Player Valuation: £35m
I've watched since he was sixteen, like yourself in the youth and U23's, and he has always looked the part, I have no worries about his ability, especially his crossing of a ball, physically I don't think will be a problem, his heart and bottle is all there, he'll cope okay.
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