We must stick with silva as fans

[Disgruntledgoat]

You're using someone who turned it around as an example for someone who has shown he goes through terrible patches every year. There's no indication, whatsoever, that the "give him time" brigade would accomplish anything other than more seasons of mediocrity.

And what was Kendall's record as a top flight manager like prior to his turning it around at Everton?

 

[kev]

You're using someone who turned it around as an example for someone who has shown he goes through terrible patches every year. There's no indication, whatsoever, that the "give him time" brigade would accomplish anything other than more seasons of mediocrity.

and in 1983 there was no indication that retaining Kendall would accomplish anything other than more seasons of mediocrity.
THAT was the point

 

[riddick]

And what was Kendall's record as a top flight manager like prior to his turning it around at Everton?

Name be the people who have been given time in English football since Kendall who have achieved success at their club after being average at best in their first two seasons not named Kendall or Ferguson.

For every insurance of giving him time there are HUNDREDS of examples where time simply delays the inevitable.

 

[Desaparecido]

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Be truthful, how many posters would have been liking this if posted in 1983 ? How many of those who do admit to it will now admit they were wrong ?

I suspect you know the answer to this!

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Name be the people who have been given time in English football since Kendall who have achieved success at their club after being average at best in their first two seasons not named Kendall or Ferguson.

For every insurance of giving him time there are HUNDREDS of examples where time simply delays the inevitable.

And maybe, just maybe, managers should be given time, is my point. If clubs trust the manager's vision, then they'll accept that rewards won't be instantaneous. Or they'll understand that it takes time to build the system, with the players he wants.

How many of those hundreds could have been successful if afforded a season or two more?

 

[riddick]

And maybe, just maybe, managers should be given time, is my point. If clubs trust the manager's vision, then they'll accept that rewards won't be instantaneous. Or they'll understand that it takes time to build the system, with the players he wants.

How many of those hundreds could have been successful if afforded a season or two more?

Probably a very very very small percentage.

I just don't get the give him time shouts. He's not the guy to go all for. He's sticking with a formation that doesn't work.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Name be the people who have been given time in English football since Kendall who have achieved success at their club after being average at best in their first two seasons not named Kendall or Ferguson.

For every insurance of giving him time there are HUNDREDS of examples where time simply delays the inevitable.

Oh, and Klopp was 8th in his 1st season at the RS and 4th, 18 points off the top in his second and we haven't seen the end of Silva's second season yet and he has more of a chore on than Klopp had to begin with.

 

[riddick]

Oh, and Klopp was 8th in his 1st season at the RS and 4th, 18 points off the top in his second and we haven't seen the end of Silva's second season yet and he has more of a chore on than Klopp had to begin with.

Klopp got them to the finals if the Europa League in bis first season.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Klopp got them to the finals if the Europa League in bis first season.

You've got me there.

Agree to disagree and let's see how the season plays out?

 

[riddick]

You've got me there.

Agree to disagree and let's see how the season plays out?

Unless somehow Marcel has an unbelievable target already signed on we're not getting a top coach right now. They typically are with a club currently and those clubs probably realize they don't want to disrupt THEIR squad by having the manager leave.

So I agree. it's not like anyone else is ready to jump in.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Is this Everton FC or Marco Silva FC huh?

Put your club's security first!

 

[BNJ1878]

These excuses don't hold up for the results against Sheff United/Bournemouth/Villa.
It's just poor management,
TWO DEFENSIVE MIDS
AT HOME
TO SHEFF UNITED!!!!!!

USE CAPS FOR THE WHOLE REPLY MATE.

MORE IMPACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[blueblue]

And maybe, just maybe, managers should be given time, is my point. If clubs trust the manager's vision, then they'll accept that rewards won't be instantaneous. Or they'll understand that it takes time to build the system, with the players he wants.

How many of those hundreds could have been successful if afforded a season or two more?

We see the performances and the results but what we do not see is the work every day at Finch Farm , the interaction between the manager and his coaching staff with his players.
While the atmosphere is good(if it is), while the players still believe in the manager(if they do) and are playing him then I think that would give him some extra breathing space.

 

[Hickson9]

A big problem for Everton is the culture at Goodison Park of being unforgiving of mistakes and poisonous when it comes to negative results.

We do not encourage the team in a positive way to address defeats, nor do we accept that mistakes happen and through that learning players can get better.

Instead we boo, jeer and pile on to our own team when things aren't going our way.

It has started to turn away from this a little bit since the derby last season.

I firmly believe that positive encouragement, forgiving mistakes, security for the manager and coaching staff through to next summer, appealing to the team's pride in order that they work as hard as possible and turning all of our ire and poison on the opposition is the way forward.

Sadly this won't happen.

 

[degsy]

I suspect you know the answer to this!

Me for one would have give that a like...in fact i did.
Kendall Mk II & Mk III, prove that there's NO magic formula
Also, Kendall Mk I got lucky getting a tune out of Reid, Sheedy and Grey, 3 previous perennial sicknotes.
You pays your money and you takes your chances