We are not investor friendly

[coyney]

dude, i go to watch the game, sometimes being stuck behind a rather large pillar means i cannot watch.

when im lucky enough to get a good seat, i still think of the poor [Poor language removed] in the terrible seat that cant see. that fan deserves to see as well, he or she has paid their money and they shouldnt be forgotten.

matchday experience. at goodison it can be dickensian. and that simply is not good enough.

I must admit I have a good seat perfect view but it is a season ticket its because of being in a good spot I bought the ticket next to it when the guy(a mate) was not going to renew it for my grandson

 

[SuitsBlue]

I must admit I have a good seat perfect view but it is a season ticket its because of being in a good spot I bought the ticket next to it when the guy(a mate) was not going to renew it for my grandson

it would be a bit rich expecting kids to enjoy a view of a pillar wouldnt it?

where abouts do you sit?

 

[coyney]

it would be a bit rich expecting kids to enjoy a view of a pillar wouldnt it?

where abouts do you sit?

As we have lost the two games hes had his seat Im not so sure

 

[TX Bill]

Sorry i meant the [Poor language removed].

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The Manchester club was the choice because Arsenal's major shareholders have collectively agreed not to sell to anybody in the near future, Newcastle were quoted at £400m and Liverpool were deemed poor value because of the need for a new stadium.

Sorry but out of all of the above, I found this to be the most accurate statement.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Instead of throwing your toys out of the pram, stand back and take a look at EFC.

1. in debt to about 60 mill - not that much of a problem for a seriuosly rich benefactor.

2. stadium could with some real work on it if not completely rebuilding about 100 mill should do it providing LCC are going to be helpful.

3. A new stadium would be even better on a good site within the city say about 200 - 300 mill but have to say I now have misgivings about DK and being a Tesco smaller partner. Do you really think that a new stadium in Kirkby based on the plans seen next to a Tesco superstore will make EFC an attractive proposition? I do not.

4. The way in which the shares are held by BK & Co make it difficult for a foreign investor. In the other clubs that have been taken over there shares were essentially in the hands of one individual.

5. A big problem is that lot over the park who actually have the same name as the city, so who in the rich arab or russian lands have ever heard of Everton???

6.On the plus side, our manager who is building up a bit of a rep and the fan base do help.

So the question is really are we investor attractive, at the moment in truth hardly. It saddens me enormously to have to face this but if one looks to the future it is worrisome. Notwithstanding the state of GP it is not going to fall down around the ears of 30,000 plus fans one saturday for quite a while. So we have little money, whats new for the last 10 years we have not had a pot to piss in but under Moyes the club has made steady progress on the field.

If there is one thing fans want is to see their team winning and never mind the pillars, wooden floors, concrete steps, poor toilets, rubber tasting meat pies. If some rich buggar wants to come and take us on then let him see never mind the antiquated stadium but to see the fans and what it means to be part of EFC.

 

[Makis]

appears you missed the point.

i shall spell it out for you.

find a stadium that has been updated/upgraded that was in a state such as goodison is now, and that has been turned into an international class stadium - with proper facilities, no obstructed views, no expanded footprint, and i would like costs at the time of build, costs to maintain, possibilities for further expansion, and actual time frame of actual build time and fitting out time.

anyone* could have thrown a few stadium pics up, lets have something a little more relative to evertons current home that is goodison park.

Villa Park, SJP?

Newcastle directors said they have to move because the footprint at SJP wasn't big enough. A certain well-known Evertonian architect proved otherwise and they are still there. The same architect, incindentally, has said the same thing about Goodison Park.

As for money etc:
ToffeeWeb - The Club - Goodison Park - read the PDF here

I do not need to defend Suitsblue as he is big enough and ugly enough to defend himself. But I think you are not being very accurate. Nonsense is something that he does not speak, I believe earlier you called him a wacko when he said something you did not agree with, nice touch. You may not agree with him when he raises what I see to be valid arguments to your points. You get abrasive when anyone raises any arguments to any of your points.

I think it's nonsense when we discuss concrete structures and he starts talking about woods and castles and whatnought. Or suggesting that since I brought up a three-sided stadium, I also suggested we should build one (or something like that, I couldn't quite understand what his point was).

It's just an attempt to side-track the actual issues. His original comment was along the lines of "and a hand of God will hold the roof up", when I pointed out that there are plenty of stadiums that have two or three tiers and no supporting pillars he then came up with the weirdest comments about those examples.

I can't remember the context when I called him wacko, but again he completely switched the subject when he couldn't counter what I had said. It's really hard to talk to someone when they, confronted with something they can't refute, come up with something completely irrelevant. I haven't met many people in my 16 years in the Internet who do it quite like that, but there was a guy in BK's relocation forum who did exactly the same thing and he was universally considered to be a complete wacko who wasn't interested in debate, just to destroy it. He would say someone is wrong about something and when asked for proof would first possibly come up with something seemingly rational but when his arguments were shot down, he would come back with something irrelevant or completely odd. Like starting to talk about woods and castles when the discussion was about concrete structures.

But in essence, all your suggestions were new builds from what I gather, can you offer any suggestions to ideas about a redeveloped stadium with the required structural ideas, and how this is possible to do whilst keeping the stadium operational?

See the link I provided.

 

[SuitsBlue]

you linked it...

World Stadiums - Stadium Design :: Estdio Municipal Dr. Magalhes Pessoa Stadium in Leiria

your example mentions...

"The project, created by architect Tomás Taveira, consists of continous tiers that run a wavy course. The tiers are highest at the main stands (in the center of the stadium) and gently wind down in corrispondence with the South stand behind one of the goals. This leaves an opening towards the city, the woods and the castle that overlooks the magnificent stadium."

i asked for examples in the context of similar to goodison. you switched to the many and varied stadiums you then linked too.

that you have descended to the level of throwing insults and accusations around doesnt really help any of your points and their varying degrees of validity.

:big smile:

 

[Makis]

i asked for examples in the context of similar to goodison. you switched to the many and varied stadiums you then linked too.

No you didn't.

I said that there are similar concrete structures to which you replied:

"lets have a look at these numerous examples then..."

You later added the disclaimer that the stadiums should be like Goodison - but of course you haven't defined what constitutes "similar". Is it so that you can come up with arbitrary reasons why any example I would come up with are invalid?

And what do those reasons you listed have to do with the fact that a stand and a roof can be built in such a way that no obstructive pillars are needed? Isn't that the point, that it is completely possible to build stands similar to Goodison Park (i.e. upper tier overlapping the lower) without pillars?

 

[manxtoffee]

It's all very well offering us nice views on foreign Stadias, but your probably missing the most important ingredient....The BS standard.....Hence, have the most stringent stadium regulations in the world.

What's possible on the continent or wherever, certainly won't be here...

 

[sotnas]

Vitoria de Guimaraes stadium before the Euro

Resultados da pesquisa de http://www.stadiumguide.com/alfonso1.jpg no Google

and after the Euro

http://www.stadiumguide.com/afonsohenriquesnew.htmhttp://images.google.pt/imgres?imgu...=20&um=1&hl=pt-PT&rlz=1G1GGLQ_PT-PTPT292&sa=N


Don't think they needed space to expand the stadium.

As far as I know, no study has been presented about reburbishing Goodison. So without this study we don't know what can be done on it.

I'm sure SuitsBlue is a very good engineer and he probably made the study himself, so it would be nice of him to share it with the rest of us. I might give a hand to those who don't understand the technical aspects of the study.

That way maybe we can all be conviced that the new stadium is all we need.

 

[Makis]

It's all very well offering us nice views on foreign Stadias, but your probably missing the most important ingredient....The BS standard.....Hence, have the most stringent stadium regulations in the world.

What's possible on the continent or wherever, certainly won't be here...

Didn't they add new tiers to SJP? I think SJP redevelopment is something worth looking into, as well as Villa Park. Notice how there are no pillars in the Holte End:

World Stadiums - Villa Park Stadium in Birmingham

 

[LEEMOEFC]

I THINK That If Everton Are Targetting A Champions League Place, They need A Billionare Like The Arabs That Just Bought Man. Shity. Surely then We Could Be Linked With The Likes of Robinho etc.

KEIOC

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

we already know that there are various claims as to how goodison park can be redeveloped, preferably on an increased footprint, but potentially on the exisiting one. as has previously been mentioned, the solutions are a matter of engineering - to which one would also need to add the small matter of finance & the necessary will, of course. i don't have the necessary expertise to make any technical judgement as to the various proposals that have surfaced over the years & find it rather comical that others can be so categoric when expressing their opinion, or criticising others views. if & when kirkby is finally consigned to the dustbin of history, then the current board, or it's successor may well choose to explore further the possibilities for redevelopment of goodison park. however, who knows what other options may be available to the club by then. as per the comments some have made regarding the transfer window activity, there's no point getting bent out of shape over an issue you can't control. i'd like to see goodison park redeveloped, but i'm open to any proposal that would actually be of financial benefit to the club.

 

[Dylan]

I THINK That If Everton Are Targetting A Champions League Place, They need A Billionare Like The Arabs That Just Bought Man. Shity. Surely then We Could Be Linked With The Likes of Robinho etc.

KEIOC

First off, welcome to the forum. Please express your views as you would, just leave any reference to that 'organization', KEIOC out of our forum.

Thats all I ask. Have fun!

 

[sotnas]

we already know that there are various claims as to how goodison park can be redeveloped, preferably on an increased footprint, but potentially on the exisiting one. as has previously been mentioned, the solutions are a matter of engineering - to which one would also need to add the small matter of finance & the necessary will, of course. i don't have the necessary expertise to make any technical judgement as to the various proposals that have surfaced over the years & find it rather comical that others can be so categoric when expressing their opinion, or criticising others views. if & when kirkby is finally consigned to the dustbin of history, then the current board, or it's successor may well choose to explore further the possibilities for redevelopment of goodison park. however, who knows what other options may be available to the club by then. as per the comments some have made regarding the transfer window activity, there's no point getting bent out of shape over an issue you can't control. i'd like to see goodison park redeveloped, but i'm open to any proposal that would actually be of financial benefit to the club.

agree with most of what you said. The thing is that the only option explored by those who are in charge was Krkby.

There are examples of redevelopments well succeeded, there is even an example of a stadium that was rebuilt on the same site having football matches during the rebuild (Estadio do Bessa, Boavista FC).

There are options.

I expressed what I know about the liabilities that come with a new stadium. It'll take 20 to 30 years to pay it back, and after that period people will start thinking about another new stadium, probably. Having to pay for the new stadium means we'll have less resources available and less of a squad.

Since I believe Everton still is a Football Club and not a real estate company, I think the core business should be buyiing and selling players and to win trophies instead of building new stadiums.