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[SuitsBlue]

san siro - "In anticipation of the 1990 World Cup, at the end of the eighties the stadium was modernized with the addition of a third ring of tiers and a roof. The new tier follows the course of the ring below and is sustained by an independent structure. The third ring is based on 11 large cylindrical towers of reinforced concrete and access to it is through helical stairs. The towers and unique entrance contribute to the dynamic look of the stadium today."

how much room around goodison is there for an independent structure?

 

[SuitsBlue]

Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi - built recently, mindful of a bid for the 2008 olympic games...

"The stadium contains 80 000 seats and is situated on a flat piece of land far from Istanbul's city centre. The lower ring of continuous tiers - geometrically derived from the athletics track aside the playing field - lies down in a artificially created pit and consequently is invisible from the outside."

it appears you arent playing very fair.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Stadio San Nicola - built for world cup 1990.

"The tribunes were constructed on two levels with the higher ring completely detached from the lower one. The stadium is accessed by the upper tribune which is raised by three meters from ground level of the artificial hillock. This design also gives a strong feeling of lightness despite the fact that the entire stadium was constructed of reinforced concrete."

sounds expensive. no costs on these stadia, how odd.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Estadio Alberto J. Armando (La Bombonera) - rebuilt on the site of the former stadium built in the 1920's

"The odd vertical structure of the fourth tribune derives from the necessity to build the stadium in the same place as the previous one. The former stadium, built in the early Twenties, was rather small and as a consequence it was not possible to build a fourth large tribune in accordance with the other three."

so space to build was a factor, hence the 'D' shape.

im unsure that everton could realistically get away with building only a 3 sided stadium.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Ajax is a beaut, its also in the countries capital... 'Amsterdam ArenA'.

only 51k capacity.
has a road running underneath it so that the bounce on the pitch varies due to the differing foundations that the turf is situated on.

"The Amsterdam ArenA was projected by architects Rob Schuurman and Sjoerd Soeters. They had the roof structure built first which created a big and uncommon empty space at the inside of the stadium. In successive phases, the stands were built and coloured seats were put in place to determine the current lay-out of the stadium."

that is interesting, the shell was built first and the stadium fitted afterwards.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Estádio Municipal Dr. Magalhães Pessoa - no date, again. but...

"The roof follows the course of the tiers which are placed according to an elliptical framework that is brusquely interrupted at the North stand. The North stand contained a temporary and uncovered tribune that ran parallel to one of the playing field's short sides. After the Euro 2004 tournament, the tribune was demolished to leave space for a commercial centre and hotel. In addition, an athletics track was built completing the elliptical framework. As a consequence, the stadium's capacity was dropped by 5 000 seats. The seats are different colours and are randomly placed."

its a nice enough stadium, built so that "the city, the woods and the castle that overlooks the magnificent stadium." can be seen from inside.

any woods and castle near goodison? large open spaces?

 

[SuitsBlue]

appears you missed the point.

i shall spell it out for you.

find a stadium that has been updated/upgraded that was in a state such as goodison is now, and that has been turned into an international class stadium - with proper facilities, no obstructed views, no expanded footprint, and i would like costs at the time of build, costs to maintain, possibilities for further expansion, and actual time frame of actual build time and fitting out time.

anyone* could have thrown a few stadium pics up, lets have something a little more relative to evertons current home that is goodison park.

(* had to bite tongue, wanted to use another word or two.)

 

[Makis]

Honestly, you are just trying to annoy me because you suddenly jump to something else? You claimed that it is not possible to build the roof in such a way that it doesn't require pillars to support it. I spent all of five minutes to find several examples with large concrete structures that are not supported from the other end.

You try to counter this by talking about woods and castles and such nonsense. Did you really think I said we should build a replica of one of the stadiums I listed?

Yes, you remind me of one poster in the kipper site who got banned several times. Every time he was cornered he tried to wiggle out of it by talking nonsense.

 

[Goat]

I dont think there is enough space to re-build GP, even if we bought all the houses, isnt there a major problem with the church? Isnt it a listed building? Would love to see how they would build around that.

And surely the ground would need to be shut down whilst all these roofs are been taken off? Where we gonna play then? Prenton Park? Analfield?

I love Goodison, i love everything about it, but the fact remains its a very, very old stadium, it would need a complete overhual, it would be stupid to re-build, rather than re-new, i just hope something could be sorted so that we could stay on that site, but even then the RS ground becomes even closer if and when they ever build there new stadium.

 

[coyney]

appears you missed the point.

i shall spell it out for you.

find a stadium that has been updated/upgraded that was in a state such as goodison is now, and that has been turned into an international class stadium - with proper facilities, no obstructed views, no expanded footprint, and i would like costs at the time of build, costs to maintain, possibilities for further expansion, and actual time frame of actual build time and fitting out time.

anyone* could have thrown a few stadium pics up, lets have something a little more relative to evertons current home that is goodison park.

(* had to bite tongue, wanted to use another word or two.)

Suits if Goodison Park is not good enough for you(yes I agree its not in the best shape)as you seem to spend a lot of time complaining why bother going ?personally I go to watch the game not inspect the ground.

 

[Gazdalf]

Honestly, you are just trying to annoy me because you suddenly jump to something else? You claimed that it is not possible to build the roof in such a way that it doesn't require pillars to support it. I spent all of five minutes to find several examples with large concrete structures that are not supported from the other end.

You try to counter this by talking about woods and castles and such nonsense. Did you really think I said we should build a replica of one of the stadiums I listed?

Yes, you remind me of one poster in the kipper site who got banned several times. Every time he was cornered he tried to wiggle out of it by talking nonsense.

I do not need to defend Suitsblue as he is big enough and ugly enough to defend himself. But I think you are not being very accurate. Nonsense is something that he does not speak, I believe earlier you called him a wacko when he said something you did not agree with, nice touch. You may not agree with him when he raises what I see to be valid arguments to your points. You get abrasive when anyone raises any arguments to any of your points.

If you can not see the relevance to any of the discussions he has raised then you should ask for clarification, and he will try to put them in simpler terms. I do not always see eye to eye with suits, so I ask for clarity to find an amicable result.

But in essence, all your suggestions were new builds from what I gather, can you offer any suggestions to ideas about a redeveloped stadium with the required structural ideas, and how this is possible to do whilst keeping the stadium operational?

edit: I am not trying to cause any waves here, just trying to dissipate any misconstrued bad blood that may be arising.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Honestly, you are just trying to annoy me because you suddenly jump to something else? You claimed that it is not possible to build the roof in such a way that it doesn't require pillars to support it. I spent all of five minutes to find several examples with large concrete structures that are not supported from the other end.

You try to counter this by talking about woods and castles and such nonsense. Did you really think I said we should build a replica of one of the stadiums I listed?

Yes, you remind me of one poster in the kipper site who got banned several times. Every time he was cornered he tried to wiggle out of it by talking nonsense.

suddenly jump to something else. pardon me if i factor in surrounding issues.

how many prem sides have a roof on their stadium?

"large concrete structures that are not supported from the other end." other end of what?

you threw up the stadium with the forest and castle, not me.

as for 'me' talking nonsense, wont you please tell me more about your adcentures on bluekipper and your professor moriarty that was removed several times. as i am riveted.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Suits if Goodison Park is not good enough for you(yes I agree its not in the best shape)as you seem to spend a lot of time complaining why bother going ?personally I go to watch the game not inspect the ground.

dude, i go to watch the game, sometimes being stuck behind a rather large pillar means i cannot watch.

when im lucky enough to get a good seat, i still think of the poor [Poor language removed] in the terrible seat that cant see. that fan deserves to see as well, he or she has paid their money and they shouldnt be forgotten.

matchday experience. at goodison it can be dickensian. and that simply is not good enough.

 

[SuitsBlue]

ps. cheers gaz. im glad to be reassured that im not talking incoherent jibber-jabber. and "can you offer any suggestions to ideas about a redeveloped stadium with the required structural ideas, and how this is possible to do whilst keeping the stadium operational?" that is pretty much bang on.

 

[kenada_blue]

I dont think there is enough space to re-build GP, even if we bought all the houses, isnt there a major problem with the church? Isnt it a listed building? Would love to see how they would build around that.

And surely the ground would need to be shut down whilst all these roofs are been taken off? Where we gonna play then? Prenton Park? Analfield?

I love Goodison, i love everything about it, but the fact remains its a very, very old stadium, it would need a complete overhual, it would be stupid to re-build, rather than re-new, i just hope something could be sorted so that we could stay on that site, but even then the RS ground becomes even closer if and when they ever build there new stadium.

I hate diving into this argument (as do most people). But I havent read if anyone know about what's in bold above. Isnt this the reason why the [Poor language removed] are moving? Cos they cant expand their ground?

Last time I post about this I swear!!!!!