Was Dunc right for hooking Kean?

Was Dunc right to hook Kean?

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Lanolin said:
I'm not stereotyping anything. In 4 months at the club he's been late for 2 meetings, liked a social media post abusing his manager, been hauled off the pitch for what most people assume was lack of effort, and contributed a grand total of nothing on the pitch. If you think that warrants treating him with kid gloves and giving him the benefit of the doubt then fine, but I don't.
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I don't think his performance yesterday warranted being hauled off for four minutes of Oumar Niasse, who conceded two fouls and had three touches, mate. No.

As I've said, if Kean doesn't get taken off yesterday, I highly doubt anybody is talking about his performance. It really wasn't that bad.

As it is, we've got fans slamming him because the manager decided to make a baffling decision in what I really just believe was a heat of the moment thing - and it probably showed the difference between where Dunc currently is as a coach and an experienced manager (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
 
nsno-chris said:
I’ve explained dave, in our great words:

those who under need no explanation, those that don’t...,,don’t matter

enjoy the ride Dave
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1-1...a defender on the bench...puts two out and out attackers on.

There is no justification for that. It underlines how inexperienced and lacking in commonsense he is.

WTF did he look like, btw?

Pissing down rain and in a shirt and tie. Ooooh, look: such commitment.

Me toes were curling.
 
BlueToff said:
I don't think his performance yesterday warranted being hauled off for four minutes of Oumar Niasse, who conceded two fouls and had three touches, mate. No.

As I've said, if Kean doesn't get taken off yesterday, I highly doubt anybody is talking about his performance. It really wasn't that bad.

As it is, we've got fans slamming him because the manager decided to make a baffling decision in what I really just believe was a heat of the moment thing - and it probably showed the difference between where Dunc currently is as a coach and an experienced manager (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
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Absolutely spot on mate.
 
BlueToff said:
But he was putting a shift in. He ran 2.09 km in 18 minutes, and sprinted 6 times. Only three of our players - Dom, Coleman and Rich - managed more sprints in the entire game.

He looked shattered. That's obviously a worry. But he's looked languid whenever he's come on the pitch tbh. And that goes back to the intensity required of being a sub in Serie A compared to the PL is massively different.

But the 'not putting in a shift' argument falls down. He did. The quality is obviously fine to call into question. But I find it utterly baffling that people are defending Ferguson for the way it happened.

If it had been Silva, there'd have been people calling for a public flogging, mate.

Look, I'm chuffed for Dunc. He's brought back that passion and energy. But there's nothing wrong with saying it was a bad call the way that it played out. Because it was.
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Can't see how it was - we held the result.

I can't see an argument for how it was a bad call. There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest it was.
 

davek said:
1-1...a defender on the bench...puts two out and out attackers on.

There is no justification for that. It underlines how inexperienced and lacking in commonsense he is.

WTF did he look like, btw?

Pissing down rain and in a shirt and tie. Ooooh, look: such commitment.

Me toes were curling.
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I'd rather have Niasse defending than Martina tbf
 
BlueToff said:
I don't think his performance yesterday warranted being hauled off for four minutes of Oumar Niasse, who conceded two fouls and had three touches, mate. No.

As I've said, if Kean doesn't get taken off yesterday, I highly doubt anybody is talking about his performance. It really wasn't that bad.

As it is, we've got fans slamming him because the manager decided to make a baffling decision in what I really just believe was a heat of the moment thing - and it probably showed the difference between where Dunc currently is as a coach and an experienced manager (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
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It was happening prior to him being hauled. I had a discussion privately with my brother where we were gobsmacked at the lack of effort.

He's a young striker who should be busting his arse off to make an impression and be trusted with game time and I saw absolutely none of that.

His 'lack of quality' isn't a concern to me - the lad clearly has it or he wouldn't have been slotting for Juventus as a teenager. It's his lack of work ethic and application and, at this point, just bloody professionalism which is a much bigger worry.
 
Regrettably there will be some collateral damage as THE TEAM aim for Europe.

The Club comes first.
A players 'feelings' second.

The tenure of a manager, however temporary, depends upon results.

Premiership status depends upon results.

Whilst results are going with us, then I'll support Big Dunc without hesitation. I trust that they'll express their views, honestly and fully, in private.
 
BlueToff said:
I don't think his performance yesterday warranted being hauled off for four minutes of Oumar Niasse, who conceded two fouls and had three touches, mate. No.

As I've said, if Kean doesn't get taken off yesterday, I highly doubt anybody is talking about his performance. It really wasn't that bad.

As it is, we've got fans slamming him because the manager decided to make a baffling decision in what I really just believe was a heat of the moment thing - and it probably showed the difference between where Dunc currently is as a coach and an experienced manager (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
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I've said a few times, i'm not saying I think it was the right thing to do. I don't know the reasons behind it, I don't know what he was asked to do or what he may not have done, or whether it was genuinely just a bad heat of the moment call. That's not my issue though. What I don't get is all the 'poor Kean', 'we've probably lost him now', 'he's only 19' stuff. I honestly don't care. We're literally fighting for our Premier League lives and we've got a striker who was trumpeted as the second coming of Dixie Dean who has done absolutely nothing good since signing, and has had definite disciplinary issues. If we have to drag him off to make sure we get the job done then drag him off. Be arsed thinking about the lad's feelings, he hasn't thought about anyone elses.
 

Tubey said:
Can't see how it was - we held the result.

I can't see an argument for how it was a bad call. There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest it was.
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Maybe 'unfortunate' is the word.

I'm not happy with Kean's reaction. I just think it was an inadvisable decision at that point in time.

Ultimately it worked, but I don't see it as the change that won the game or anything. And it just seemed strange. We hadn't looked ragged at that point - we'd lost our shape when Utd scored but quickly refound it.
 
davek said:
1-1...a defender on the bench...puts two out and out attackers on.

There is no justification for that. It underlines how inexperienced and lacking in commonsense he is.

WTF did he look like, btw?

Pissing down rain and in a shirt and tie. Ooooh, look: such commitment.

Me toes were curling.
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We got a point and almost hit them on the counter for a marvellous away win at OT

Maybe David Moyes, knife to a gunfight, grateful of a point at OT is more up your street :coffee:
 
Lanolin said:
I've said a few times, i'm not saying I think it was the right thing to do. I don't know the reasons behind it, I don't know what he was asked to do or what he may not have done, or whether it was genuinely just a bad heat of the moment call. That's not my issue though. What I don't get is all the 'poor Kean', 'we've probably lost him now', 'he's only 19' stuff. I honestly don't care. We're literally fighting for our Premier League lives and we've got a striker who was trumpeted as the second coming of Dixie Dean who has done absolutely nothing good since signing, and has had definite disciplinary issues. If we have to drag him off to make sure we get the job done then drag him off. Be arsed thinking about the lad's feelings, he hasn't thought about anyone elses.
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Okay - but who built him up? Us - our fans! Like we do with any young player.

And he's been given next to no chances (fine, I'm all for getting him in gently anyway) in a struggling side. And under a manager that most of the fanbase wanted out by October.

When he has played, he's showed some flashes, but not enough to get himself in the side. But again, I'll stress, we're not playing as a side in a way that lends itself to being able to give people those chances.

So while I'm not really saying we should all feel massively sorry for the lad, the vitriol on here and social media is frankly ludicrous. And it's vitriol that comes from our own tendency as a fanbase to get carried away.
 

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