Was david moyes right all along that everton is like taking a knife to a gunfight

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Lanolin said:
Never quite sure where this comes from. It's like people just count Kroldrup and Beattie as big money signings, but not Baines and Jagielka, who cost the same amounts. His two biggest signings as far as I can remember were Fellaini and Yakubu, they were both successes in my eyes (ignoring the fact that Yakubu's leg fell off which was kind of unforeseeable).
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His ten most expensive signings for us were Fellaini, Yakubu, Andy Johnston, Bilyaletdinov, James Beattie, Andy van der Meyde, Mirallas, Baines, Kroldrup, Heitinga. No offence mate, but most of them were pony! I agree with you on Fellaini, Yak and Baines of course, but most of his top signings were all for less than 6 mill!
 
Bluebonic said:
His ten most expensive signings for us were Fellaini, Yakubu, Andy Johnston, Bilyaletdinov, James Beattie, Andy van der Meyde, Mirallas, Baines, Kroldrup, Heitinga. No offence mate, but most of them were pony! I agree with you on Fellaini, Yak and Baines of course, but most of his top signings were all for less than 6 mill!
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Where've you go them figures from?! Van der Meyde was about £1m.

Of the 9 I'd say 6 were a success, relatively speaking. Fellaini, Yakubu and Baines were proper successes. Mirallas was a very good player for us for the first few years, Heitinga was player of the year for us and was generally just a pretty decent player to have, and Johnson was an improvement on what we'd had before and then sold at a profit. Obviously his best signings were mainly in the bracket below, but I never really understand the idea that he always blew bigger transfers.
 
I think people have quite a literal reaction to this and use it as a stick to beat Moyes with. At the end of the day he was right, we were taking a knife to a gun fight.

Moyes had 11 years here and roughly a net spend of about 24-28 million. The richest successful clubs even back then we’re spending that on one player. Moyes job at the time was to make us the best he could do with what he was given, in my opinion he worked miracles. So setting up to get a draw at say old Trafford back then wasn’t such a bad idea, but yet he gets called all sorts for it.
If you compare that level of spending to now - it’s like asking Norwich to go to the Etihad and attack Man City, but when they go there and set up for a draw, fans kicking off because Norwich had no “ambition lad”.

I’ve never been able to get my head around why he gets so much stuck for this.
 
David Moyes took us from relegation to some of my favorite memories as a blue. We still haven't fully recovered from him leaving. Maybe one good season under Booby Martinez.

Moyes spent a modest amount but most of that was generated from sales - his best players too.

So overall with the budget, wage restraints, ageing stadium and the mess he inherited, id say he was 110% right.
 
Moyes used to love talking us down, ‘plucky little Everton‘ mentality. I want my manager to talk the team up and have the players believing in themselves, not someone like this loser that says managing Everton is like taking a knife to a gunfight. At Sunderland when he took the job, he said, amongst loads of other things that got the fans backs up, “fans would be right if they feared relegation,because that’s what we’ve had for 4 years, why would it change? I think we will be in a relegation fight”. That’s the mans mentality, if you don’t create expectation, you won’t get it. Not the most inspirational speaker.
 
Everton1970 said:
Moyes used to love talking us down, ‘plucky little Everton‘ mentality. I want my manager to talk the team up and have the players believing in themselves, not someone like this loser that says managing Everton is like taking a knife to a gunfight. At Sunderland when he took the job, he said, amongst loads of other things that got the fans backs up, “fans would be right if they feared relegation,because that’s what we’ve had for 4 years, why would it change? I think we will be in a relegation fight”. That’s the mans mentality, if you don’t create expectation, you won’t get it. Not the most inspirational speaker.
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On that particular day, when he made that ‘Knife to a gunfight’ remark, it was against Man. City, and it wasn’t until we were 2-0 down that Everton started playing, surprisingly we made it 1-2 then had a shot kicked off the line, if we went there believing we had a chance of winning, who knows?, if you go there too afraid to try and win then what chance have you got. That was the way Moyes played, one win in Forty Three away games versus the top four was shameful, yet Ferguson gave him the nod for the Man Unt, job. Dearie me Fergie.
 
His reign was alright, not a period I feel a sense of immense satisfaction at anyway.

I wasn’t surprised at his “knife to a gunfight” comments as you could see it during those bigger away games, which more often than not were already lost and we just waited for the inevitable. Always felt it was a bit sad and we were better than that as a club.
 
Cameron Manning said:
On that particular day, when he made that ‘Knife to a gunfight’ remark, it was against Man. City, and it wasn’t until we were 2-0 down that Everton started playing, surprisingly we made it 1-2 then had a shot kicked off the line, if we went there believing we had a chance of winning, who knows?, if you go there too afraid to try and win then what chance have you got. That was the way Moyes played, one win in Forty Three away games versus the top four was shameful, yet Ferguson gave him the nod for the Man Unt, job. Dearie me Fergie.
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No it was 2-0 and the shot cleared off the line was literally the last kick of the game. I think we did go believing we could win, in the same manner that we had in the couple of years before, soak it up, make the most of your chances when they come. It had worked before, it didn't that day. That was Moyes's style, it wasn't defeatist, it was just pragmatic, defensive, dour, safety first, unimaginative, whichever you prefer. It wasn't that they didn't believe they could win those games, it's just that Moyes's preferred method to try and win was the infamous KITAPO. In theory he was probably right, but the fact he kept trying it even when it hadn't worked for 10 years meant that it was more than time for him to give someone else a go.
 
Lanolin said:
No it was 2-0 and the shot cleared off the line was literally the last kick of the game. I think we did go believing we could win, in the same manner that we had in the couple of years before, soak it up, make the most of your chances when they come. It had worked before, it didn't that day. That was Moyes's style, it wasn't defeatist, it was just pragmatic, defensive, dour, safety first, unimaginative, whichever you prefer. It wasn't that they didn't believe they could win those games, it's just that Moyes's preferred method to try and win was the infamous KITAPO. In theory he was probably right, but the fact he kept trying it even when it hadn't worked for 10 years meant that it was more than time for him to give someone else a go.
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Well, Lanolin, it never worked in forty three matches, pragmatic? I’d say he was a bit slow learning in how to win. Mind you, he wasn’t slow in learning how to look after himself and earning £M’s while managing Everton, same as his chairman.
 
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