Was david moyes right all along that everton is like taking a knife to a gunfight

[Groucho]

Context lads.

At the time we had no money. Now we do.

So everything has moved on.

 

[Bob Latchford]

Context lads.

At the time we had no money. Now we do.

So everything has moved on.

The results haven’t and are probably worse.
Personally, I think it’s the small time mentality that’s been the problem. Anyone who can change that and the culture of the club will go beyond what’s been done in recent history.

 

[Bluebonic]

He would have been fine with the money subsequent managers have had.

I know the rot had started long before his final game, but look at the players he had for that match against Sunderland... starting with Robles, Pennington, McCarthy, Cleverley, Funes Mori...

Can’t agree with that mate, his big money signings tended to be cack, it was only when he bought them for six Bob that they turned out well! He would just have spent all the Mosh money on a load of James Beatties!

 

[anton66]

What he should have said was “ I used to crap my pants going to old Trafford “

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ye but back then the knife was sharp AF and the wielder was like wolverine. Now we have a butter knife and is wielded by lad with cerebral palsy.

Lets at least keep a pretense of class. That's a cheap comment.

 

[Groucho]

The results haven’t and are probably worse.
Personally, I think it’s the small time mentality that’s been the problem. Anyone who can change that and the culture of the club will go beyond what’s been done in recent history.

Moyes was specifically talking about finances. That’s no longer the issue.

 

[evertonandchelmsford]

In terms of the seasons as a whole you could say it was right and sometimes we overachieved with what we had but turning up for individual away games against the so called big teams especially the amount of times we had the lead and scored first in them and threw them away or settled for bore draws I don't agree with it.

The amount of other teams that had gone to those away games take Villa for example who were competing against us for the same league places for a long time they'd go to Arsenal & Liverpool etc and get the occasional win whereas we never would manage to see the games through.

 

[Death]

Lets at least keep a pretense of class. That's a cheap comment.

Apologies it was.

 

[blue to the bone]

Ya got to love the international break for all these pointless threads

 

[Lelouch]

apparently it's still true because our away record to the top 4 is still pathetic.

 

[degsy]

Who? taking a what to a where?

 

[Lanolin]

Can’t agree with that mate, his big money signings tended to be cack, it was only when he bought them for six Bob that they turned out well! He would just have spent all the Mosh money on a load of James Beatties!

Never quite sure where this comes from. It's like people just count Kroldrup and Beattie as big money signings, but not Baines and Jagielka, who cost the same amounts. His two biggest signings as far as I can remember were Fellaini and Yakubu, they were both successes in my eyes (ignoring the fact that Yakubu's leg fell off which was kind of unforeseeable).

 

[MACCA75]

Yes.

Now we take a gun to a nuclear arms race.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Moyes understood the culture of modern Everton better then we did. Most of us still thought that we supported the Everton Football Club that had nine league titles, five FA Cups and Euro Cup Winners Cup to our name. We thought that we supported one of the most successful English clubs in the history of the sport who's motto: 'Nil Satis Nisi Optimum' actually meant somthing. We thought we supported a big club that had fallen on hard times and was fighting to get back to where we belonged.

We where wrong. You see what we didn't understand was that our owners thought they had a very different club to the one we supported. They thought (and still do) they owned a plus size version of Charlton or Fulham that was just a cash cow for them. Where expectations should be played down and masked with flowery speeches, where standards, pride and self-reapect were an optional extra and extremely well paid men like Moyes acted as patsy's, fall guys, frontmen and mouthpieces for the club.

So yeah Moyes was right in everying he said about modern day Everton. Don't blame the messanger for simply quoting his bosses mantra.

 

[Lanolin]

apparently it's still true because our away record to the top 4 is still pathetic.

No that's still Moyes's fault. The fact we hadn't won at Arsenal for 7, or Chelsea for 8 years before he arrived, and haven't won at either in 6 years since he left, is all because Moyes gave an interview once where he suggested winning away against the most expensively assembled squad in world football might take a bit of planning. It's an indisputable fact.