VAR - the death of football (as I know it)

[Allezfan]

I completely agree that it ruins the game. People want to see mistakes, they want controversary.

Frankly I think we should do away with all referees and just decide decisions by coin toss.

 

[Ring master]

Only ever wanted Goal line cameras myself and nothing else,think this takes to long to decided etc when they look,that one in last min last night in Arsenal game seemed to take an age

 

[PhilM]

In a world where games are now routinely scrutinised in micro-detail with numerous angles and slow motion, then for me it's the logical avenue.

How often do we as fans moan at officials for making incorrect decisions based solely on the knowledge gained from all of the above?

Whereas they're making judgements from one angle, or up to three if including the linesman, at a great pace and potentially when obstructed.

I'd much rather not have it to be fair, however with growing critical TV analysis (which fans often use) then I understand referees wanting it.

Anyway, it's worked in numerous other sports so if introduced correctly - it may not work perfectly straight away - so I think it'll be here to stay.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Interesting point made on Talksport around lunchtime today. In so many words: the ones who stand to lose the most from VAR are the top 6, since they are the ones who get most of the very dubious decisions going their way.

Food for thought...

 

[roydo]

Interesting point made on Talksport around lunchtime today. In so many words: the ones who stand to lose the most from VAR are the top 6, since they are the ones who get most of the very dubious decisions going their way.

Food for thought...

Colin "rent a quote" Warnock wasnt it?

 

[RomanReigns]

should scrap draws as well and just fight to the death

 

[duncs pigeon]

Do I agree with VAR? Not sure to be honest, but we are in the 21st Century and technology is there to help. I do like the 'is it/ wasnt it' debates, but if it can help weed out the cheats Im all for it.

 

[canuckblue]

I tell thee if VAR was around in 66 it would have saved the country years of misplaced 'big time' posturing as world cup winners. It would also have prevented that hideoes lightening seeds / Baddeil and Skinner song in Euro 96. Many years of hurt just wouldn't sound the same...

You do know England scored twice in extra time, right?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You do know England scored twice in extra time, right?

All about the effect on the game. Would Germany have been pushing forward to allow Hurst's breakaway fourth? Did England gain a boost to carry them through (they were very fatigued) from the goal that wasn't?

I suspect history would be different if we had a competent Russian linesman on the day. Or VAR. Added bonus: West Ham fans unable to claim "West Ham won the world cup".

Come on, the pros outweigh the cons here ,surely?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

should scrap draws as well and just fight to the death

Sounds like boss entertainment

 

[canuckblue]

All about the effect on the game. Would Germany have been pushing forward to allow Hurst's breakaway fourth? Did England gain a boost to carry them through (they were very fatigued) from the goal that wasn't?

I suspect history would be different if we had a competent Russian linesman on the day. Or VAR. Added bonus: West Ham fans unable to claim "West Ham won the world cup".

Come on, the pros outweigh the cons here ,surely?

In this particular game, there's nothing to say England wouldn't have scored the winning goal in a different matter, say from a corner in the 115th minute. Or maybe extra time would have ended 2-2, in which case I don't know if it would have gone to penalties or a replay. In other words, it's all conjecture.
As for VAR today, I'm all for it. And to address the amount of time needed for reviews, I like the suggestion of 30-minute halves, with an actual game clock stopping every time the ball is not in play (video reviews, going out of bounds for throw-ins, subs, going back to the centre circle after goals, etc.). There would be no need for the fourth official to hold up a board signifying the minimum amount of time added on as the referee would simply let any realistic scoring opportunity (corner, counterattack, whatever) play itself out before then blowing the whistle. No more John Terry goals in the eighth minute of five minutes' added time.
And don't call me Shirley.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

In this particular game, there's nothing to say England wouldn't have scored the winning goal in a different matter, say from a corner in the 115th minute. Or maybe extra time would have ended 2-2, in which case I don't know if it would have gone to penalties or a replay. In other words, it's all conjecture.
As for VAR today, I'm all for it. And to address the amount of time needed for reviews, I like the suggestion of 30-minute halves, with an actual game clock stopping every time the ball is not in play (video reviews, going out of bounds for throw-ins, subs, going back to the centre circle after goals, etc.). There would be no need for the fourth official to hold up a board signifying the minimum amount of time added on as the referee would simply let any realistic scoring opportunity (corner, counterattack, whatever) play itself out before then blowing the whistle. No more John Terry goals in the eighth minute of five minutes' added time.
And don't call me Shirley.

Ha, very true re: conjecture. But I'm allowed little whimsy to illustrate why CAR could play an important role in football, right? On the downside it would potentially have denied the legend and gentleman that is Gordon Banks a winners medal.

Interesting ideas. Not sure they'd be universally popular. It seems that Rugby and cricket are much further ahead of the curve when adopting innovation.

 

[canuckblue]

Ha, very true re: conjecture. But I'm allowed little whimsy to illustrate why CAR could play an important role in football, right? On the downside it would potentially have denied the legend and gentleman that is Gordon Banks a winners medal.

Interesting ideas. Not sure they'd be universally popular. It seems that Rugby and cricket are much further ahead of the curve when adopting innovation.

Well, it would end the "here the hell did the ref get five extra minutes from?" whinges or any reference to Fergie Time. The ref, would signal for the clock to be stopped, just like in in the NFL, and signal for its restart. I remember hearing or reading somewhere that the ball is actually in play for roughly 60 minutes a game anyway, with the rest wasted.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Well, it would end the "here the hell did the ref get five extra minutes from?" whinges or any reference to Fergie Time. The ref, would signal for the clock to be stopped, just like in in the NFL, and signal for its restart. I remember hearing or reading somewhere that the ball is actually in play for roughly 60 minutes a game anyway, with the rest wasted.

It would also ruin one of Big Sam's favourite 'game management' tactics too - time wasting!

 

[Old Blue 2]

Colin "rent a quote" Warnock wasnt it?

Don't know, but I think there is more than a grain of truth in that.