VAR - the death of football (as I know it)

[davek]

I tend to agree mate. In my view, it should be or linnear issues only, ie, not up for debate. Offside, over the line, in or out of the box for pens. Correct ID of players, but that is rare.

The decision to award Liverpool a pen last night was an example of opinion, not fact.

Exactly. If an incident is beyond doubt an incident rather than a judgement call on being *an incident* then there's no room for doubting the motive of reviewing it. If, on the other hand, we have a review based on what a judge or panel in a review room think is an incident then motive is an issue.

It needs scrapping. It'll be better for clubs outside the financial elite if it was...and I;ve heard some idiot arguments that it works FOR clubs outside that elite!

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I tend to agree mate. In my view, it should be or linnear issues only, ie, not up for debate. Offside, over the line, in or out of the box for pens. Correct ID of players, but that is rare.

The decision to award Liverpool a pen last night was an example of opinion, not fact.

Well it kinda was , kinda wasn't.

According to the rules, a direct free kick is awarded if a player "holds an opponent". I think it's clear from the video that Livermore did have hold of Salah's arm/shoulder in the area thus it's a penalty.

But of course the rules were written a long time ago and the game has changed and evolved and rightfully so the rules are not enforced 100% strictly. I guess it's generally accepted that if a player does hold an opponent it has to be enough to impede them, stop them getting to the ball or forcing them to fall over etc etc.

That's when the matter of opinion comes in. Was Livermore holding Salah enough to make him go to the floor how he did? Then you could argue that while a foul should correctly have been given, Salah could then face dispiplinary action for "decieving the ref" due to his exxageration after the holding, but that's done after the game.

At the moment it is purely a trial with VAR, there are gonna be teething issues and how it works now you'd figure is not how it will work in a years time once they've hopefully ironed out the kinks.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I think the idea is right, but the execution is a bit of a let down. It's too slow, and the decision to refer to it inconsistent.

Giving the captain of each team 3 appeals a game would be interesting.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Motd
Danny Murphy
Did he say it was a soft pen?

 

[roydo]

Well it kinda was , kinda wasn't.

Kinda my point. But your post is correct. Its on trial, so lets see how it develops.

 

[PhilM]

I think the idea is right, but the execution is a bit of a let down. It's too slow, and the decision to refer to it inconsistent.

Giving the captain of each team 3 appeals a game would be interesting.

The lack of communication with the fans is also a worry for me as it wasn't completely clear for those watching on TV what was happening, so I expect those in the ground had no clue at all. In other sports, the dialogue between the referee and the video official is made public or at least you can hear the deliberations of the TV official.

For WBA's disallowed goal I was unsure if it was offside or interfering with the goalkeeper and only surmised it was the former using the graphics they added.

 

[Joey66]

All sports have it - they all found fault with it - now accept it- it gets modified as time goes by - instance is cricket lbw umpire does not give out you need a screen in every Prem ground to talk and engage the fans on the reason the final decision is given as for time most times players arguing takes even more time!
It's the 21 st century let's get the poor decisions overruled as things don't even themselves out in a season especially top 6 sides - motive the other lot get knocked out, and it's all wrong?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Teething issues

It's still definitely a good idea

As I previously mentioned in this thread, penalty decisions will still remain contentious as they come down to opinion

The offside decision was spot on, and things like that are what it's needed for

Imagine if we'd had it against Spurs and Rooney's goal had been allowed?

 

[Azzurri]

Let me put it to you from my perspective as an American who has gone through the process with American football. While the stop/start nature of the game immediately says it would have to be different with footy, by no means does it change the fan experience...except make it even more dramatic.

The team scores and you erupt in full on celebration. Then from time to time you then fret to see the replay on the big screen...everyone waiting on pins and needles to see. When you see it is good you erupt again. If it's close and they rule against you, you boo like crazy.

It will have to be tweaked...but as it goes now in the NFL every play under 2 minutes is subject to review...plus all goal scoring events.

It's not perfect yet and what can be reviewed and what cannot will be key for VAR to work in football.

I don’t, though. Because I know it might be disallowed. Which completely kills the fun of it.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Motd
Danny Murphy
Did he say it was a soft pen?

He just said it was the right decision.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

He just said it was the right decision.

No surprise then

 

[f.t.r.s]

salah dived end of, no way was their enough contact to warrant his reaction.
Players need to start getting bans to cut this out, it's pathetic.
the rs seem to do a lot of it though, see llallana in the derby.

I also think players signalling for the ref to check var should be booked the same way players who motion for a booking are

 

[gonetomorrow]

Football's a fluid game with few interruptions ideally. Cricket, rugby ,tennis etc you get breaks in play as part of the package so Var is no big deal.
I don't want technology introduced to football except on the goalline.

 

[Eggs]

Exactly. If an incident is beyond doubt an incident rather than a judgement call on being *an incident* then there's no room for doubting the motive of reviewing it. If, on the other hand, we have a review based on what a judge or panel in a review room think is an incident then motive is an issue.

It needs scrapping. It'll be better for clubs outside the financial elite if it was...and I;ve heard some idiot arguments that it works FOR clubs outside that elite!

..oh dear, i’m one of those idiots. Elite clubs get decisions without VAR, my hope is it will inform more of a level playing field.

The process has to become more efficient and i’m hopeful the level of decision making will eventually be more consistent. Penalties like yesterday’s are subjective but for me a condition of proportionality needs to be applied. More specifically, was the action of the attacker proportionate to that of the defender. I don’t think Salah’s reaction was proportionate to the level of contact from the defender.

 

[Toast]

When the standard of refereeing is as poor as it has been in the first half of this City game, the refs should all be jibbed off and VAR takes over completely.
Some shocking refs in this country. Mason, John Moss should be doing Sunday league ale house at best.