VAR & rule changes next season...

[Bluewolf]

What could one make of this?

What you will

 

[Bluewolf]

Like cricket, they have the TV umpire for decisions which are set in stone, so offside for example, if they had it as an actual rule, rather than something they've now made open to interpretation, could be made by the TV ref.

Then separate ref decisions like handball and penalty shouts should be left for the actual ref, with the TV ref giving them all the possible angles.

Why? When as I've stated everyone is fine with the linesman and fourth officials making decisions already. It's litraly the same thing except the official with var has a replay from about 10 angles showing him the incident.

 

[mrb85]

Is it used for free - kick offences though mate.

Don't think so. Four things only -- goals, penalties, sendings off, and mistaken identity. Even offsides are excluded, so long as they don't lead to a goal.
To me VAR is totally unsuitable for football, where movement and momentum are an essential part of the attraction of the game, and where emotional spontaneity has always been a key to its establishing itself as a major sport.
To avoid mayhem and widespread disillusionment next season its introduction should be accompanied by a return to the requirement from VAR officials for outcomes to be based on meeting the criterion that there is total clarity on what has occurred. This is far from the case in the short time VAR has been employed. Too often we are seeing the subjective opinion of one official (the ref) being overturned by the equally subjective of another (the VAR official).

 

[Eggs]

I remember Gerrard diving to win a pen against Sheffield United. There was no contact whatsoever. The defender went to tackle him but dummied it and Gerrard dived over thin air. When they were reviewing it the pundits said the ref was right to give the pen for ‘intent to foul’.

No matter how much technology they bring in there are a set of clubs that the powers that run the game have in their interest to win and there’s a set of clubs that they do not care about winning. Sadly we are on one side of the divide and most of the big 6 are on the other.

...possibly, but in the long-run I think decisions will get less subjective and much clearer definitions applied. The application of laws we have been used to for many years (particularly hand balls in the box) will change and we will soon accept it.

It’ll be interesting to see if the process via the big screen will actually add to the viewing experience. It works well in other sports, football has been slow catching up.

 

[street end]

....I remember Arshavin scoring a goal in the Kop end many years ago. They reviewed it at half-time on Sky with Gerrard on the panel, and it was shown that Arshavin was marginally on side and the goal was correct. With a serious straight face, Gerrard said: “no, that goal should be disallowed because that counts as offside here”. That comment has always stayed in mind.

The Reds scored a few offside goals last year, I remember a ridiculous one in a draw at West Ham. They won’t be allowed next season.

I can’t stand him the horrible pr*. The definition of a kopite if ever there was one. Let’s remind ourselves of the 5 players that where offside when we played Newcastle away, that’s half of the outfield players.

 

[mrb85]

It's crazy that VAR is being introduced on issues where no formal clarification has been issued on the key issue of VAR offside calls when a goal has been scored.
Specifically, how far back in play is the VAR official to go in the build up to a goal? Does (s)he only look at the last couple of passes or is (s)he required to look at the complete move, starting from when the scoring team gained possession? If the former, then what constitutes 'a couple'?
There is of course an easy solution to this, with complete clarity provided -- only consider the final pass. After all, the on-pitch officials are seen to be making incorrect decisions all over the park over the 90 minutes but VAR is not being used to correct these. Failure to pick up on an offside earlier in the move should be seen as just another uncorrected reffing error.

 

[andy4efc]

It was meant to be for clear and obvious errors but now they seem to be looking at everything with microscopic detail. Also the handball rule seems to have changed (what happened to intent??!)and offsides seem to always go against attackers now. Football isn't a stop start game but we could see long delays. I have a bad feeling about VAR. It needs to be used only when necessary.

Handball rule has changed, nothing to do with VAR though. IFAB change rules every year and handball is one.

 

[Saint Domingo]

...possibly, but in the long-run I think decisions will get less subjective and much clearer definitions applied. The application of laws we have been used to for many years (particularly hand balls in the box) will change and we will soon accept it.

It’ll be interesting to see if the process via the big screen will actually add to the viewing experience. It works well in other sports, football has been slow catching up.

Other sports don’t particularly have huge vested interests or loyalties. Especially in the international game which includes football. You just don’t get huge market forces betting on an international rugby game for example. You can’t fix a golf tournament for example. There’s too much money in football. Millions of people in the world support just a handful of clubs, the body whose product is propped up by their support is never going to bring in anything that might disrupt that.

Even in the CL we saw three handball incidents all interpreted differently. Kehrer’s and Sissoko’s were given as handballs despite neither being intentional or even blocking a ball going towards goal. Llorente used his arm to score v City and it was given as he didn’t use it intentionally. We’ll still see massively subjective calls to suit whichever outcome the money men of the game want.

 

[andy4efc]

Is it used for free - kick offences though mate.

It isn't. Only time it will be is if the ref has given a penalty and it should be a free kick.

 

[Eggs]

Other sports don’t particularly have huge vested interests or loyalties. Especially in the international game which includes football. You just don’t get huge market forces betting on an international rugby game for example. You can’t fix a golf tournament for example. There’s too much money in football. Millions of people in the world support just a handful of clubs, the body whose product is propped up by their support is never going to bring in anything that might disrupt that.

Even in the CL we saw three handball incidents all interpreted differently. Kehrer’s and Sissoko’s were given as handballs despite neither being intentional or even blocking a ball going towards goal. Llorente used his arm to score v City and it was given as he didn’t use it intentionally. We’ll still see massively subjective calls to suit whichever outcome the money men of the game want.

...you make a very good point and it will be interesting to see how things pan out but I still think it will make it more of a level playing field.

 

[street end]

The very fact we are debating what is allowed and what isn’t clearly shows that there is massive room for improvement on implementing VAR, nobody knows what’s going on.

 

[MikeH72]

Apparently it will get shown on replays on the big screen at every ground with them. The only two grounds with no big screens?
Anfield and old Trafford. Make of that what you will.

Doesn’t actually make the slightest bit of difference at all.

 

[andy4efc]

Personally im a big fan of VAR. Providing it gets the right decision I dont mind a 60 second wait. China seem to have got it down to a tee. For offsides they dont bother having the ref run over and check it, they call it themselves and just tell the ref in the ear. Noticed sometimes the ref is havin to go over to decide whether its offside and that's where it bugs me.

Offside is a factual thing. That player is either ON or OFF when the ball is kicked. Same with goalline issues, it's either over or not over the line.

Issue is when there are intepretation/preference things.

The main positive for me is that it will hold referee's to account. They can't make a dodgy decision and get away with it as it will be reviewed, and if they still go its a penalty they'll get punished for it.

 

[paulbefc]

What you will

 

[andy4efc]

Other sports don’t particularly have huge vested interests or loyalties. Especially in the international game which includes football. You just don’t get huge market forces betting on an international rugby game for example. You can’t fix a golf tournament for example. There’s too much money in football. Millions of people in the world support just a handful of clubs, the body whose product is propped up by their support is never going to bring in anything that might disrupt that.

Even in the CL we saw three handball incidents all interpreted differently. Kehrer’s and Sissoko’s were given as handballs despite neither being intentional or even blocking a ball going towards goal. Llorente used his arm to score v City and it was given as he didn’t use it intentionally. We’ll still see massively subjective calls to suit whichever outcome the money men of the game want.

IFAB rules have changed that speficially though, any time the ball goes in off an arm it's not given, regardless of intent. Which is spot on I think.