VAR & rule changes next season...

[Nyhus]

Not covered its self in glory in the womens world cup.

Few things have.

 

[Tipp blue]

VAR will be the final nail in the coffin for footy....prem in 92 was the start..we are down the road of american football now....

I doubt it will get to that extreme, I'd rather see a few minutes used during the game and added on at the end if the gain to the sport is a fairer playing field.

 

[Nyhus]

VAR merely throws it over to the select few in the 'var booth' to make a judgement call and tell the ref to review it.
The ref fundamentally has the final say so nothing changes in that respect.

The typical football BS. Even though a bunch of refs seeS the video and know what the right call would be, some pissant without any knowledge still gets to make the decision. So many dumb, antiquated rules, i really hope football enters the 21 century soon, but I guess it would have to pass through the 20th first. ‘Technology is ruining football!’ - no. Dummies with silly ideas of whats right or wrong based on sentimentality does.

 

[Eggs]

VAR merely throws it over to the select few in the 'var booth' to make a judgement call and tell the ref to review it.
The ref fundamentally has the final say so nothing changes in that respect.

And for what its worth, do you really feel the 'top sides' will suffer because of VAR?
Personally not a chance, any potential dubious call will just been reviewed with the ref having the final say and/or any VAR call that deems the ref missed something will merely lead to the refs going with VAR.

Only have to look at certain incidents during the World Cup - handballs that the ref brushed aside, were suddenly reviewed and given as pens, same with borderline fouls. It doesn't cut out inconsistency, it merely adds another layer of blame and confusion - end of the day its opinion based calls so it down to however runs the VAR and if the ref chooses to go with them.

For what its worth you only have to look at Danny Murphy being part of the 3 man team regarding Niasse - thats not to suggest someone of clear bias would be involved but you get the idea.

Offside goals and mistaken identity I can agree with because thats cut and dry -which is a reason why goal-line technology works- you are either offside or not, you are either the right player or not. Easy calls, not open.
That said offside is now becoming increasingly over analyzed to the millimeter. Of after watching numerous replays you then make a call, its 'not clear and obvious' - so I'm not really a fan with how its been used.

Get the basics of football right first - foul throws (biggest joke in football the amount of foul throws, yet in kids football you're told to crack down on it when they start playing offside), '6 second rule', time management, gaining yards, then start implementing VAR - as for all VAR is it won't change the standard of referee; if anything it will just make them lazier.

....I remember Arshavin scoring a goal in the Kop end many years ago. They reviewed it at half-time on Sky with Gerrard on the panel, and it was shown that Arshavin was marginally on side and the goal was correct. With a serious straight face, Gerrard said: “no, that goal should be disallowed because that counts as offside here”. That comment has always stayed in mind.

The Reds scored a few offside goals last year, I remember a ridiculous one in a draw at West Ham. They won’t be allowed next season.

 

[MKS]

The fume when the first one goes against us will be a thing of beauty.

They will name the book they write about This forum “the day VAR broke GOT”

 

[tonyhorne]

Is it used for free - kick offences though mate.

Dunno to be honest, but I can just see a big is it inside or outside the box type of decision made when there wasn't even a foul in the first place

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

VAR will be the final nail in the coffin for footy....prem in 92 was the start..we are down the road of american football now....

Undoubtedly take some of the pantomime and emotion out of the game, nothing like injustices to get a crowd going and the crowd is a key element for TV! Also various puditry will suffer there will be less to regurgitate.

 

[billyblue80]

Just think every goal scored against the Sky top six will be scrutinised to death and the goals they score not as much.
The ridiculous rule change involving where the ball hits your hand, accidental or not, just allows cheats to kick the ball at you in the area. Mane is already a grand master at this, be prepared for a lot more Liverpool penalties.
Only change for me that's been beneficial to the game in my opinion, is the goal line technology. Thank god for that.

Salah literally aims at hands. Look at the one on the CL. Firing a ball at a players hand from five yards doesn't make it handball for me, I think it's ridiculous. There is such a thing as ball to hand, not every hand ball is a foul, all of this 'unnatural position' stuff is nonsense you need your arms and hands for balance, it should only be handball if you move your hand towards the ball or intentionally use your hand/arm to stop it. We are going to see loads more pens.

 

[paulbefc]

Apparently it will get shown on replays on the big screen at every ground with them. The only two grounds with no big screens?
Anfield and old Trafford. Make of that what you will.

What could one make of this?

 

[mahermi1]

....I remember Arshavin scoring a goal in the Kop end many years ago. They reviewed it at half-time on Sky with Gerrard on the panel, and it was shown that Arshavin was marginally on side and the goal was correct. With a serious straight face, Gerrard said: “no, that goal should be disallowed because that counts as offside here”. That comment has always stayed in mind.

The Reds scored a few offside goals last year, I remember a ridiculous one in a draw at West Ham. They won’t be allowed next season.

Who decides if it's VAR ? More importantly who decides the pannelists. Are there different ones each game, really haven't read up on this as you can tell.

 

[Eggs]

Who decides if it's VAR ? More importantly who decides the pannelists. Are there different ones each game, really haven't read up on this as you can tell.

....my understanding is that video officials alert the referee if there is an offside in the lead up to a goal. That’s the straightforward element that is taken away from referees. They also alert him if they feel he needs to review a penalty, that is more subjective.

I expert video officials will be appointed to each game along with referees by the Premier League.

 

[toffeejack]

I don't see why they go to the screen. The var team should give it and inform the ref. The linesmen give stuff all the time, hell the fourth official can even give something but they guy with the tv showing him what's happened can't give anything. Bloody stupid to me.

Like cricket, they have the TV umpire for decisions which are set in stone, so offside for example, if they had it as an actual rule, rather than something they've now made open to interpretation, could be made by the TV ref.

Then separate ref decisions like handball and penalty shouts should be left for the actual ref, with the TV ref giving them all the possible angles.

 

[toffeejack]

....my understanding is that video officials alert the referee if there is an offside in the lead up to a goal. That’s the straightforward element that is taken away from referees. They also alert him if they feel he needs to review a penalty, that is more subjective.

I expert video officials will be appointed to each game along with referees by the Premier League.

Is that the case? I haven't watched too many games with VAR but it seems to be they say "there's an offside you need to look at"... Then the ref has to stop the game to have a look? I could be wrong.

 

[Eggs]

Is that the case? I haven't watched too many games with VAR but it seems to be they say "there's an offside you need to look at"... Then the ref has to stop the game to have a look? I could be wrong.

...no, I don’t think so. An offside is an offside, it’s not subjective. The referee will be told, they won’t be asked to take a look. Similarly, they’ll be told if a foul is inside or outside the box because that’s not subjective.

 

[Saint Domingo]

....I remember Arshavin scoring a goal in the Kop end many years ago. They reviewed it at half-time on Sky with Gerrard on the panel, and it was shown that Arshavin was marginally on side and the goal was correct. With a serious straight face, Gerrard said: “no, that goal should be disallowed because that counts as offside here”. That comment has always stayed in mind.

The Reds scored a few offside goals last year, I remember a ridiculous one in a draw at West Ham. They won’t be allowed next season.

I remember Gerrard diving to win a pen against Sheffield United. There was no contact whatsoever. The defender went to tackle him but dummied it and Gerrard dived over thin air. When they were reviewing it the pundits said the ref was right to give the pen for ‘intent to foul’.

No matter how much technology they bring in there are a set of clubs that the powers that run the game have in their interest to win and there’s a set of clubs that they do not care about winning. Sadly we are on one side of the divide and most of the big 6 are on the other.