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Missed out - Grantchester owns 8.3%
According to the Everton Shareholders association webpage
Lord Grantchester 8.1%
Arthur Abercrombie 2.6%
Estate of Sir Philip Carter 2%
Which leaves 5,721 shares to minority shareholders
Amended amount for Moshiri (BHH) including Abercrombies shares once options are exercised 74.0% of shareholding
 

I have to say I am not surprised the Charlton link has broken down, within hours of it being on or a possibility. I'll try not to go on as I gave my summary around page 600 but just a few points.

1) Most journalists, clearly sports journalists are completely out of the loop here. They are flopping between one position to the next. I would avoid taking much notice of what they say. Usmanov will not release information via them. It may just be incompetence, but given the teams they often support and how quickly people who support Liverpool in our local paper run with the story I don't think we can entirely rule out bitterness and envy being the motive for a lot of the stories. An attempt to goad Evertonians.

2) As I suggested above, papers such as Bloomberg and the FT (or affiliates) look to be getting the news on some occasions. These are reliable sources worth monitoring. Bloomberg last said Usmanov was looking to "financially help Everton" and a senior board member (who was involved with the Abramovic deal) has said they would be looking at how he could do that. They have not corrected that story at any point. A paper in their remit has now rubbished the Charlton reports and has again reiterated he is looking to invest in Everton.
People have to ask themselves who they believe, a world renowned paper for investors with a source close to Usmanov, or a Kopite working for a tabloid with no sources who has reversed his position continual often in a matter of days. I can't tell you which one is right or wrong, but on the balance of probability I know which I would believe to have greater validity.

3) The manner in which the Charlton story was tarnished was significant. It happened a lot quicker than I expected (within 12 hours I believe). I think there's a broader message here, not only about Charlton, but also about reports being used to link him to other clubs.
The fact it quoted a "source close to Usmanov" in journalistic language means it is someone close to him, possibly Usmanov himself but that person is not prepared to be named in the report. Thats what "sources close to x/y/z" mean, someone the journalist knows is reliable and close to the person but is someone who can't go public.

While the source did not go on record to say he was still interested in Everton, the fact it was stated again in the report is significant. The journalist would have asked about Everton (and possibly other teams) to see if they would rule them out. It's likely the source would have said not to rule it out, was happy for Everton to be mentioned but wouldn't want their "sources close to" to be added to it. Suffice to say whoever is close to Usmanov is happy for it to be known he is interested in investing in Everton. Interestingly no mention of AC Milan (which goes along with other distancing).

4) The links from Usmanov from Everton have become strengthened in the last 24 hours. The fact Lewis probably thought he could have some fun and wind up a few Evertonians and it has drastically backfired for him and on him is an added bonus. I maintain my gut feeling that it was likely leaked by Charlton.

5) It's worth monitoring who says what at key moments. There were a number of posters on here pushing that it could be a goer or that it spelt the end of Everton and Usmanov. Yet on the reports have dissipated there is no reversal in any of their rhetoric. I don't think people should stop posting of having opinions, but I'd guard against anyone reading to look at a posters track record when evaluating the strength of their opinion.

I have no inside knowledge on this but have tried to look at events openly. For the most part a lot of what I have suggested has been true. Others have got a lot more right than me (and tend to be on the Usmanov In grouping). It's not because of being an oracle, but clearly however I am interpreting the evidence seems to have some truth to it. It may radically alter, but presently I feel quite confident in my reads of the situation.
 
I have to say I am not surprised the Charlton link has broken down, within hours of it being on or a possibility. I'll try not to go on as I gave my summary around page 600 but just a few points.

1) Most journalists, clearly sports journalists are completely out of the loop here. They are flopping between one position to the next. I would avoid taking much notice of what they say. Usmanov will not release information via them. It may just be incompetence, but given the teams they often support and how quickly people who support Liverpool in our local paper run with the story I don't think we can entirely rule out bitterness and envy being the motive for a lot of the stories. An attempt to goad Evertonians.

2) As I suggested above, papers such as Bloomberg and the FT (or affiliates) look to be getting the news on some occasions. These are reliable sources worth monitoring. Bloomberg last said Usmanov was looking to "financially help Everton" and a senior board member (who was involved with the Abramovic deal) has said they would be looking at how he could do that. They have not corrected that story at any point. A paper in their remit has now rubbished the Charlton reports and has again reiterated he is looking to invest in Everton.
People have to ask themselves who they believe, a world renowned paper for investors with a source close to Usmanov, or a Kopite working for a tabloid with no sources who has reversed his position continual often in a matter of days. I can't tell you which one is right or wrong, but on the balance of probability I know which I would believe to have greater validity.

3) The manner in which the Charlton story was tarnished was significant. It happened a lot quicker than I expected (within 12 hours I believe). I think there's a broader message here, not only about Charlton, but also about reports being used to link him to other clubs.
The fact it quoted a "source close to Usmanov" in journalistic language means it is someone close to him, possibly Usmanov himself but that person is not prepared to be named in the report. Thats what "sources close to x/y/z" mean, someone the journalist knows is reliable and close to the person but is someone who can't go public.

While the source did not go on record to say he was still interested in Everton, the fact it was stated again in the report is significant. The journalist would have asked about Everton (and possibly other teams) to see if they would rule them out. It's likely the source would have said not to rule it out, was happy for Everton to be mentioned but wouldn't want their "sources close to" to be added to it. Suffice to say whoever is close to Usmanov is happy for it to be known he is interested in investing in Everton. Interestingly no mention of AC Milan (which goes along with other distancing).

4) The links from Usmanov from Everton have become strengthened in the last 24 hours. The fact Lewis probably thought he could have some fun and wind up a few Evertonians and it has drastically backfired for him and on him is an added bonus. I maintain my gut feeling that it was likely leaked by Charlton.

5) It's worth monitoring who says what at key moments. There were a number of posters on here pushing that it could be a goer or that it spelt the end of Everton and Usmanov. Yet on the reports have dissipated there is no reversal in any of their rhetoric. I don't think people should stop posting of having opinions, but I'd guard against anyone reading to look at a posters track record when evaluating the strength of their opinion.

I have no inside knowledge on this but have tried to look at events openly. For the most part a lot of what I have suggested has been true. Others have got a lot more right than me (and tend to be on the Usmanov In grouping). It's not because of being an oracle, but clearly however I am interpreting the evidence seems to have some truth to it. It may radically alter, but presently I feel quite confident in my reads of the situation.


A very sensible analysis if I may say.
 
I have to say I am not surprised the Charlton link has broken down, within hours of it being on or a possibility. I'll try not to go on as I gave my summary around page 600 but just a few points.

1) Most journalists, clearly sports journalists are completely out of the loop here. They are flopping between one position to the next. I would avoid taking much notice of what they say. Usmanov will not release information via them. It may just be incompetence, but given the teams they often support and how quickly people who support Liverpool in our local paper run with the story I don't think we can entirely rule out bitterness and envy being the motive for a lot of the stories. An attempt to goad Evertonians.

2) As I suggested above, papers such as Bloomberg and the FT (or affiliates) look to be getting the news on some occasions. These are reliable sources worth monitoring. Bloomberg last said Usmanov was looking to "financially help Everton" and a senior board member (who was involved with the Abramovic deal) has said they would be looking at how he could do that. They have not corrected that story at any point. A paper in their remit has now rubbished the Charlton reports and has again reiterated he is looking to invest in Everton.
People have to ask themselves who they believe, a world renowned paper for investors with a source close to Usmanov, or a Kopite working for a tabloid with no sources who has reversed his position continual often in a matter of days. I can't tell you which one is right or wrong, but on the balance of probability I know which I would believe to have greater validity.

3) The manner in which the Charlton story was tarnished was significant. It happened a lot quicker than I expected (within 12 hours I believe). I think there's a broader message here, not only about Charlton, but also about reports being used to link him to other clubs.
The fact it quoted a "source close to Usmanov" in journalistic language means it is someone close to him, possibly Usmanov himself but that person is not prepared to be named in the report. Thats what "sources close to x/y/z" mean, someone the journalist knows is reliable and close to the person but is someone who can't go public.

While the source did not go on record to say he was still interested in Everton, the fact it was stated again in the report is significant. The journalist would have asked about Everton (and possibly other teams) to see if they would rule them out. It's likely the source would have said not to rule it out, was happy for Everton to be mentioned but wouldn't want their "sources close to" to be added to it. Suffice to say whoever is close to Usmanov is happy for it to be known he is interested in investing in Everton. Interestingly no mention of AC Milan (which goes along with other distancing).

4) The links from Usmanov from Everton have become strengthened in the last 24 hours. The fact Lewis probably thought he could have some fun and wind up a few Evertonians and it has drastically backfired for him and on him is an added bonus. I maintain my gut feeling that it was likely leaked by Charlton.

5) It's worth monitoring who says what at key moments. There were a number of posters on here pushing that it could be a goer or that it spelt the end of Everton and Usmanov. Yet on the reports have dissipated there is no reversal in any of their rhetoric. I don't think people should stop posting of having opinions, but I'd guard against anyone reading to look at a posters track record when evaluating the strength of their opinion.

I have no inside knowledge on this but have tried to look at events openly. For the most part a lot of what I have suggested has been true. Others have got a lot more right than me (and tend to be on the Usmanov In grouping). It's not because of being an oracle, but clearly however I am interpreting the evidence seems to have some truth to it. It may radically alter, but presently I feel quite confident in my reads of the situation.
Interesting stuff.

Also, surely it would make no sense for him to invest in another English club aside from Everton.

You'd imagine his finances would bring Charlton back to PL sharpish and put him in competition with his business partner, Moshiri.

If it's not to be Everton, then surely investing elsewhere (there were links to Milan I believe? ) would be more likely?

Either way, I hope it's us, if only to witness that other lot pretend not to be arsed while secretly fuming :lol:
 
Liverpool Echo.....

“ A report today in the Mirror claimed that the former Arsenal shareholder was considering a move to buy Charlton Athletic, effectively ending any potential interest in investing in close friend Farhad Moshiri's Everton.

But Usmanov's press office issued an official comment this afternoon which categorically read “Alisher Usmanov is not buying Charlton Athletic football club.”
 

Interesting stuff.

Also, surely it would make no sense for him to invest in another English club aside from Everton.

You'd imagine his finances would bring Charlton back to PL sharpish and put him in competition with his business partner, Moshiri.

If it's not to be Everton, then surely investing elsewhere (there were links to Milan I believe? ) would be more likely?

Either way, I hope it's us, if only to witness that other lot pretend not to be arsed while secretly fuming lol

Milan makes sense but they have just been taken over, the owners don't wish to sell and he has distanced himself from it. The basis seems to be Gazidis and the Arsenal connection. Yet if people were drawing that conclusion based on Arsenal, surely his connection to Moshiri would be much stronger?

I am not sure he will invest in football. I don't see many clubs who fit what he is looking for.
 
Liverpool Echo.....

“ A report today in the Mirror claimed that the former Arsenal shareholder was considering a move to buy Charlton Athletic, effectively ending any potential interest in investing in close friend Farhad Moshiri's Everton.

But Usmanov's press office issued an official comment this afternoon which categorically read “Alisher Usmanov is not buying Charlton Athletic football club.”
The Mirror,The Echolollollol
 
Liverpool Echo.....

“ A report today in the Mirror claimed that the former Arsenal shareholder was considering a move to buy Charlton Athletic, effectively ending any potential interest in investing in close friend Farhad Moshiri's Everton.

But Usmanov's press office issued an official comment this afternoon which categorically read “Alisher Usmanov is not buying Charlton Athletic football club.”
tell me again who owns the Liverpool echo.
 

My take is that if he does want to invest in British football again it'll be us, but after lying low for a few months first. When you think about the kerfuffle that the beeb donkeys caused in their "investigation", imagine what a fuss would happen if he sold up at the Arse and instantly bought us. Conspiracy theories would be headline news. Taking a few months lets him say nothing was pre-arranged and get a bit more distance on the rumours.
 
My speculation would be that Usmanov and Abramovich are seeking to move money from business interests to somewhere else because of the possibility of US sanctions and likely actions from the UK government. Whether or not they will sell their expensive and multiple domestic properties I don't know.

If he does buy a football club I think it would be one of the three he mentioned in the Bloomberg interview quoted below, where he talks about a deal. (Milan?)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ire-mulls-new-soccer-clubs-after-arsenal-sale

'Still, Usmanov’s interest is not restricted to England. He’s a fan of several clubs on the continent, he said, including serial German champion Bayern Munich and Italian clubs A.C. Milan and A.S. Roma, who finished sixth and third respectively in the country’s Serie A league last season.

“Should there be a proposal or a possibility to invest in them with good potential returns, I would consider the deal,” he said.'
 

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