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Well, it's reached a cacophony after 3 years of complete failure under Moshiri.
Is it failure though?

When he arrived, Martinez was presiding over a very much ageing team and we had no cash in the bank to rebuild. Maybe where we are is success compared to relegation fodder which I saw us becoming.

Sure we went on to sell Lukaku and Stones to rebuild, and its true that Walsh et al didn't spend that well, but they WERE in a position to spend it. There's no doubt that the financial security Moshiri gave has meant we no longer have to dig around in the back of Bill's sofa to bring in yet another 'prospect' or man u reject. We can offer salaries to tempt Barcelona rejects now ffs.
 
The ESK knows why Moshiri is really here and how it came about.

Thanks Bill you did it again, some evertonian you are. Rat

Oh yes, that’s right, BK should have sourced a charitable billionaire who would chuck money at us without any concern for return on investment.

Why didn’t you say at the time? Those types of investors are ten a penny.
 
They are massively poor results, 34% increase of commercial income is 6 million. 20mill in commercial revenue is pathetic, I don’t use that word lightly,

Liverpool have 134 mill
Chelsea have 139 mill
City have 191 mill
Utd have 298 mill
Spurs and Arsenal 120 mill

It’s embarassing.

Our turnover this year will drop to 170 odd million.

Agree we’re miles behind the teams we want to compete with, but I do think off the field, it’s a massive job to transform our brand after decades of under investment and mismanagement.
 
Is it failure though?
When he arrived, Martinez was presiding over a very much ageing team and we had no cash in the bank to rebuild. Maybe where we are is success compared to relegation fodder which I saw us becoming.
Sure we went on to sell Lukaku and Stones to rebuild, and its true that Walsh et al didn't spend that well, but they WERE in a position to spend it. There's no doubt that the financial security Moshiri gave has meant we no longer have to dig around in the back of Bill's sofa to bring in yet another 'prospect' or man u reject. We can offer salaries to tempt Barcelona rejects now ffs.
The greatest myth of the past few seasons has been this.

That squad spending spree was funded by the sale of players to the tune of of £205M plus two seasons of extra tv revenue which has amounted to a further £100M for those seasons into the coffers since he's been here. That's over £300M into the club he did not generate in order to spend on players. Any cash over and above that he has spent was to acquire debt that the club still owe to him, and will pay it to him one way or another.

...and here we are, btw, 'not having to look down the back of the sofa anymore' but not able to buy anyone in the last window because we had to sell players first.

What giant strides we've made since Kenwright took a back seat.

Please wake up and smell the coffee.
 
What’s also weird, is 5 of the top 6 have been Premier League ever-presents, and we’re the only other club who can lay claim to that.

Why is our income down with the yo-yo clubs, whilst our true peers have completely bypassed us?

The one man who presided over the other clubs moving light-years away from us is Bill Kenwright, who just still happens to be a hugely influential figure at the club.

We’re a comedy club, an utter shambles. It’ll never get better.

Its a real bug bear of mine, i grew up rubbing shoulders with Utd and Liverpool, in fact bettering them wasnt a shock. Chelsea, CIty and SpUrs were maybe like Wolves, Arsenal were pretty on a par with us. We really havent kicked on since those days. It was Johnson for me that caused us to regress, turned us into an absolute basket case at a crtical stage in football financial history.

That said clubs with a case of being big clubs, even bigger then some of the current CL clubs, Leeds, Forrest and Villa have been torpedoed and tumbled down the leagues.
 

Remind me what all those clubs have in common, dont compare us to them, compare us to the West Hams, Southamptons, Fulhams.
They cater to a a international "whopper" fanbase that everyone at GoT laughs or mocks.

International footprint = Bigger turnover.

The "Chosen Not Manufactured slogan as marketing jargon is terrible, it's like the League Of Gentleman skit in that shop "This is a shop for local people we can't have your like here"
 
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The greatest myth of the past few seasons has been this.

That squad spending spree was funded by the sale of players to the tune of of £205M plus two seasons of extra tv revenue which has amounted to a further £100M for those seasons into the coffers since he's been here. That's over £300M into the club he did not generate in order to spend on players. Any cash over and above that he has spent was to acquire debt that the club still owe to him, and will pay it to him one way or another.

...and here we are, btw, 'not having to look down the back of the sofa anymore' but not able to buy anyone in the last window because we had to sell players first.

What giant strides we've made since Kenwright took a back seat.

Please wake up and smell the coffee.
Coincidentally I've just stopped my work building a workshop for a coffee break, and it smalls great.

I'm not contesting your figures at all. In the past however, those players would have had to be sold then a large chunk uses to service and reduce the debt, pay operating costs, and then probably only a third of that cash used to buy a player or two.

Given that the stated and quite reasonable and understandable target was to trim a lot of overpaid dead wood from the squad, its no surprise to me that we made no moves in the expensive winter window. We didn't need to strengthen for a league push, or final stages of a European campaign, nor are we looking for relegation fighters.

It's boring as hell, but they were sensible financial decisions.
 
The Usmanov calls are a mantra - from people wishing to believe in better times ahead. They're made because three years have passed by under Moshiri and the only credibility this bozo still retains is that he's connected to Usmanov in some way.

He's failed in every measurable sense:

the club have not moved forward commercially in any significant way
the club are two years into a stadium scheme, but are miles off even submitting an application for planning permission
the team are well short of competing even for a EL place after the biggest spending spree in the club's history

By any reasonable standard THAT is what utter failure looks like.

In my opinion, the Usmanov calls are driven almost entirely by impatience. Of course people wish in better times ahead, I do, every single person on here does (with maybe the odd exception). I'm not entirely sure what difference Usmanov being here would have made in the last 3 years. We would likely have exactly the same under-performing players but on higher wages. We have bought from a market dictated by our current performance and standing. So we would just have Moshiri being in a position to offer higher wages, after asking the man above him.

The club have moved forward significantly commercially, but still have a fair distance to go. This is more a damning of the past 20 years than it is the last 3.
The club are two years into a stadium scheme, have completed the first round of public consultations , with the second round due very shortly. PP will likely follow that very quickly.
The team are indeed well short of competing for even an EL place. Moshiri has provided funding beyond the headline values of transfer fees and has IMO been failed by a succession of appointments. There is an argument to be made that he was responsible for the appointments and I understand that, but with each of the appointments that he has made, they have carried a certain amount of expectation and each has been made with a view for forward movement. Each was certainly, in the majority of outlets, seen as an improvement on the last.

I genuinely have no understanding of what your offering is. What do you propose? How would you change it, apart from seemingly going back to the days before we broke all of our financial records and never looked likely to.The days before we had a 199 year lease on a waterfront location, bookmarking a £5.5bn area of investment, upon which, after following required processes is extremely likely to fly though planning and house a brand new purpose built stadium.
 

They cater to a a international "whopper" fanbase that everyone at GoT laughs or mocks.

International footprint = Bigger turnover.

The "Chosen Not Manufactured slogan as marketing jargon is terrible, it's like the League Of Gentleman skit in that shop "This is a shop for local people we can't have your like here"
Well we don't want your like here do we? Because you're a kopite. So if people like you don't like the way we do things as a club, we're probably doing it right.
 
Its a real bug bear of mine, i grew up rubbing shoulders with Utd and Liverpool, in fact bettering them wasnt a shock. Chelsea, CIty and SpUrs were maybe like Wolves, Arsenal were pretty on a par with us. We really havent kicked on since those days. It was Johnson for me that caused us to regress, turned us into an absolute basket case at a crtical stage in football financial history.

That said clubs with a case of being big clubs, even bigger then some of the current CL clubs, Leeds, Forrest and Villa have been torpedoed and tumbled down the leagues.

i'd say it started before Johnson tbh. Remember in the very early 90's when Dr Marsh was chairman we were completely skint. Right at the outset of the Premier League era. We went from being a major player in the 'big 5' in 1988 to also rans in a matter of 5 years
 

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