Usmanov

[catcherintherye]

People don't just do things for financial gain mate, notoriety and quasi fame can be enough for some.

Since his remarkable summer of being itk, just answer the following, has he hawked himself out like a cheap whore as a apparent voice of evertonians?

Has his own podcsst now, which I'm assuming he was planning for a whilst as you don't knock one up overnight. Has his own website, had articles in the local red rag, appeared on podcasts such as futbolgrad - when he frankly got shown up by someone with an in depth knowledge of the way Russians ownership of teams operates

Can guarantee he's tried and been knocked back on a lot more self publicity angles as well.

Thats a fair point mate.

I wasn't really very active or involved at around the time he left the forum and only became more so after that, so I saw things a bit more at a distance. My impression was he got some things wrong, some things right. People seemed to get irritated with that. I'll be honest I can't really get my head around people who get angry with people posting information. If it makes you so irate, why not just ignore them? You take most things with a pinch of salt etc.

Maybe the plan for him was to gain notoriety and use that to build his profile. There are others I would say that would fit more easily too (and in many ways good luck to them). I didn't get that impression. But there's no doubt he made a number of predictions and quickly after that went off and did his own thing. Maybe the two are connected.

Everyone has a different viewpoint which is fair enough, but I enjoy the podcast series and he writes well. His blind spot for me has always been Usmanov. I've never asked him directly about this. I am not sure if he is "in too deep" having made comments he can't get around. Or if he has been given information from Moshiri's side they want out in the public domain?

This isn't me having a pop at The Esk, but anyone who puts opinions out has a reason for it. I am positive on Usmanov not just because I believe it to be the case, but I am an optimist! Either way I have some disagreements with his analysis which I have shared on the page. It's not based on any inside info, just common sense on how people I've seen in business operate.

 

[Brisan123]

I know I am taking over the thread somewhat. Some (hopefully) final thoughts for today (in terms of longer analysis) is that the pattern of movement/momemtum is now heavily towards him investing. With each week that goes by there is more suggesting he is looking to come.

The Bloomberg thing is fascinating. It is a proper paper of international capital. It holds more weight than the entirety of football journalists denying it. Not because football journalists aren't well sourced but it's not their area. After the FT report, very shortly after this moment the shares were gone. Other "football people" (albeit a minority as most of them parroted the idea that he'd never sell) did suggest he would sell, in the same way but nothing followed as it doesn't hold the same clout. Bloomberg holds similar clout. Him saying he'd invest in Everton is important.

How this investment looks may not be conventional. I am not sure he has much interest in being a public face like Abramovic or even Sheikh Monsour. If he came I think he'd happily be in the background, watch his asset grow. As has been said all along he will own prime real estate and I do think their intention is to bring capital into the area of Liverpool to transform it into something equivalent (or bigger) than what you see around L1. To His credit the Major seems on board with the project. Billions could be poured in. As the point depreciates tourist revenues will become a much bigger sector and Liverpool has a big opportunity and a unique history.

As a closing salvo I would also not rule out further wealthy individuals coming on board post Usmanov. The likelihood is USM will be the shareholders if Usmanov came on board, it's worth noting the S in that is a gentleman who has more reserves of cash than Abramovic. It is a serious outfit. I think they may look for either other Russian investment, maybe the fabled Chinese investment (that Wolves have for example) or maybe a consortium like the one Moshiri was involved with for the Liver buildings. We already have a relationship with the wealthiest bank in China.

In the short term it will allow us the chance to convert debt to equity which is an efficient way of re-allocating shares which will also generate substantial ongoing revenue for the club. In the medium term bringing such people on board allows for more expertise, connections and opportunities to emerge. Both Usmanov/Moshiri seem to value this. Neither seem the hands on dictatorial style in approach.

Corestate who bought the Liver building with Moshiri manage billions of pounds with of assets and are major players in the European property market
Not rich in themselves but deal with mega rich funds.
The docks developement could be the reason they made the Liver building their first venture into British property.
Usmanov also owns a major property company in Moscow
So they have the expertise at their fingertips

 

[catcherintherye]

Just look at the Corbyn news over the past few days...and weeks...and in general.

Should be sent to the gulag

Ah ok. I was just thinking in terms of Usmanov mate! Johnson has tended to pick fights with Putin, it's kind of his thing. Very dodgy views to the White Helmtes/ISIS and he thinks it makes him look like Churchill. If he becomes PM I think it will be high on his agenda. Hopefully Usmanov sorts him if it comes to that.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Blues, esk hasn't post on here for about a year or so. Not sure he warrants the level of attention on here. Perhaps instead engage with him on Twitter, his website, article comments on Echo etc and elsewhere...

 

[catcherintherye]

Corestate who bought the Liver building with Moshiri manage billions of pounds with of assets and are major players in the European property market
Not rich in themselves but deal with mega rich funds.
The docks developement could be the reason they made the Liver building their first venture into British property.
Usmanov also owns a major property company in Moscow
So they have the expertise at their fingertips

I think you are right, in that that group will likely buy properties in and around that area of Liverpool as the ground move starts to come off. So more of an indirect link. However Moshiri will have all sorts of referers fees involved and shares option, so as the property grows so too will his wealth.

I suspect any future investment would be Chinese/Russian though don't rule out other conglomerates.

 

[catcherintherye]

Blues, esk hasn't post on here for about a year or so. Not sure he warrants the level of attention on here. Perhaps instead engage with him on Twitter, his website, article comments on Echo etc and elsewhere...

Point taken.

 

[jayonenote]

Corestate who bought the Liver building with Moshiri manage billions of pounds with of assets and are major players in the European property market
Not rich in themselves but deal with mega rich funds.
The docks developement could be the reason they made the Liver building their first venture into British property.
Usmanov also owns a major property company in Moscow
So they have the expertise at their fingertips

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This..
I think theres a big connection here.
This is one of the major prime development sites in Europe.
A huge opportunity.
What ppl like Usmanov want/like is an interesting challenge...they have money & success they need an interest and motivation..perhaps leaving a legacy..its a fantastic oppprtunity to have an influence on a major city....something they couldnt do in London

 

[Brisan123]

I think you are right, in that that group will likely buy properties in and around that area of Liverpool as the ground move starts to come off. So more of an indirect link. However Moshiri will have all sorts of referers fees involved and shares option, so as the property grows so too will his wealth.

I suspect any future investment would be Chinese/Russian though don't rule out other conglomerates.

And the loan deal with the council and the 7 m a year fee will help the council look favourably on any plans endorsed by Moshiri

 

[Brisan123]

To add to this, Usmanov has never wanted to control a club from top to bottom. He didn't want that at Arsenal. He wanted to be able to have a representative at board level. Moshiri did much the same with Ryzanstev. If he has board representation (which he would have at Everton) he would be happy.

Agreed these lads are too busy to oversee the day to running of their assets
They put trusted advisors on boards and let them know and carry out their plans.

 

[Efcjake]

I can't for the life of me work out what the point of Keith Harris's quotes to clarify what support could mean were.

It clarified nothing and added nothing to the discussion so why even bother saying it on the record?

 

[Brisan123]

I can't for the life of me work out what the point of Keith Harris's quotes to clarify what support could mean were.

It clarified nothing and added nothing to the discussion so why even bother saying it on the record?

Orville made him do it

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

I can't for the life of me work out what the point of Keith Harris's quotes to clarify what support could mean were.

It clarified nothing and added nothing to the discussion so why even bother saying it on the record?

Harris and the club don't need to clarify anything which is why it's so odd.

 

[meagher94]

Harris and the club don't need to clarify anything which is why it's so odd.

If anything the fact they felt the need to comment is a positive.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

If anything the fact they felt the need to comment is a positive.

The reponse was almost instant too.

 

[Toffeelover]

Thank god someone actually knows Everton’s shareholders
Can’t believe our own fans are so ill educated as to who owns what

In the other category I think a large part of that holding belongs to Grantchester, not sure exactly how much but no doubt some one will know.