Us in the in liverpool end

[go easy]

enjoy your summer holiday this year lad!

What lad

 

[macca888]

You've been respectful and have had reasoned debate. I wouldn't be adverse to you sticking around, even if you are a kopite from RAWK (which is saying something). But I think some of the people you're referring to as tools are making fair points and often it's easy to misunderstand long posts on the internet.

On the Suarez post though, read it back ffs. Seriously. You say you don't care about any of Suarez' antics and then immediately say the reason why is the FA getting some bans wrong in your opinion. Maybe you should just take into account that you're biased as hell as you're a Liverpool fan and he's your best player. You want every ban to match up to your "personal standards of morality". That sounds completely insane. This is why we and a lot of other fans around the country laugh at RAWK.

Basically, you were just sick of people talking about Suarez and your club negatively (which was all his/it's own fault). It's not about football as a whole at all really, is it? Come on.

Thanks for that mate, i appreciate it. And in fact you're mostly spot on what you said. I am biased and hypocritical when it comes to all things Liverpool and I readily admit that. Regardless of whether he's one of the best players in the world, I'll want him gone if he doesn't sort his act out because for every one who says "he's a lovely family man off the pitch", that won't win us any games. And sometimes what I type sounds better in my head than it looks on paper. I blame Suarez totally because if he hadn't been such a f*cking tool on more than one occasion, there'd be no discussion about him. My thoughts about the football in general is based on it being even more hypocritical than me though. FFS, a convicted rapist got a cheer from the PFA but Suarez got booed? How f*cked up is that? But in all honesty, we've just had so many dealings with the useless b*stards up close to see what a waste of space the FA, their committess and precedents are. I really wish I didn't have to read through FA incident reports like a Philadelphia lawyer to understand why it was a 10 game ban. I genuinely could have lived the rest of my life without knowing that over 99% of appeals to the FA are unsuccessful. I could have gone the rest of my days blissfully ignorant of the fact that Chicharito calls Evra negrito, so it shouldn't be racist according to a 1,000 people who have probably been as far as Lloret de Mar but all of a sudden are experts on the cultural nuances and meanings of a word from Spanish speaking countries that nobody had ever heard. And again you're spot on that I f*cking hate the club being in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. We've handled an awful lot wrong too in all honesty, and that one is hard to admit. But as an individual, it's much easier for me to say as an individual, let it all stew in it's own p*ss because I'm genuinely sick to death of having to do it. And in all honesty, what Suarez has done, what he's guilty of, why I f*cking love him and I'm fuming with him in equal measures, is the sole reason for me feeling like that about football in general. Clubs in general, and mine are no different than anyone else, care more about their investment than doing the right thing. Spoilt footballers, and ours are no different than anyone else's, who earn more money in a year than most people earn in a lifetime get away with mostly whatever they want, acting in a way that most decent people wouldn't dream of. And I could have just turned a blind eye to it all, but what has happened recently has just honestly made me sick of the whole shebang, not because a so called cult of fans told me to think that way but because everything that Suarez is guilty of has made me look at it in a different way. If that makes sense. Once again, this sounds good in my head, so I hope it comes acroos that way

 

[go easy]

Hence 'never your fault'. How dare some of the ****s accuse us of Hillsboro chants after all the support we've given them down the years. Some of them would do anything to tarnish us, even using Hillsboro. Most of them have absolutely no connection to the city, and don't know anything about the two clubs and the relationship between them over the tradegy. These are the ones who write facebook status's like 'just going out shopping with my girlfriend ynwa jft96'. And their the same ones who try and use it against us. The ones that know, know. The ones that don't (a large ****ing section) can just do one.

You get kopites who love the arl jft96 then when they play utd they live Munich shouts. Kopites are the biggest bell ends in football. ****ing idiots

 

[go easy]

Mate i hate to try and educate you here

Alright Brendan lad

 

[the sniderman]

Thanks for that mate, i appreciate it. And in fact you're mostly spot on what you said. I am biased and hypocritical when it comes to all things Liverpool and I readily admit that. Regardless of whether he's one of the best players in the world, I'll want him gone if he doesn't sort his act out because for every one who says "he's a lovely family man off the pitch", that won't win us any games. And sometimes what I type sounds better in my head than it looks on paper. I blame Suarez totally because if he hadn't been such a f*cking tool on more than one occasion, there'd be no discussion about him. My thoughts about the football in general is based on it being even more hypocritical than me though. FFS, a convicted rapist got a cheer from the PFA but Suarez got booed? How f*cked up is that? But in all honesty, we've just had so many dealings with the useless b*stards up close to see what a waste of space the FA, their committess and precedents are. I really wish I didn't have to read through FA incident reports like a Philadelphia lawyer to understand why it was a 10 game ban. I genuinely could have lived the rest of my life without knowing that over 99% of appeals to the FA are unsuccessful. I could have gone the rest of my days blissfully ignorant of the fact that Chicharito calls Evra negrito, so it shouldn't be racist according to a 1,000 people who have probably been as far as Lloret de Mar but all of a sudden are experts on the cultural nuances and meanings of a word from Spanish speaking countries that nobody had ever heard. And again you're spot on that I f*cking hate the club being in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. We've handled an awful lot wrong too in all honesty, and that one is hard to admit. But as an individual, it's much easier for me to say as an individual, let it all stew in it's own p*ss because I'm genuinely sick to death of having to do it. And in all honesty, what Suarez has done, what he's guilty of, why I f*cking love him and I'm fuming with him in equal measures, is the sole reason for me feeling like that about football in general. Clubs in general, and mine are no different than anyone else, care more about their investment than doing the right thing. Spoilt footballers, and ours are no different than anyone else's, who earn more money in a year than most people earn in a lifetime get away with mostly whatever they want, acting in a way that most decent people wouldn't dream of. And I could have just turned a blind eye to it all, but what has happened recently has just honestly made me sick of the whole shebang, not because a so called cult of fans told me to think that way but because everything that Suarez is guilty of has made me look at it in a different way. If that makes sense. Once again, this sounds good in my head, so I hope it comes acroos that way

ok buster thats quite enough. watch your step or im taking you to snidetown.

 

[Azzurri]

I'd just like to say thanks, and fair comments from everyone. and I totally understand some people's mindsets that some of our fan base will mindlessly get behind anything with a them against us attitude. I'm probably guilty as charged with that too for some things. But I'm going to copy and paste something I wrote on RAWK about Suarez affair and football in general, because I'm sick to f*cking death of it all at times -


"Look, I'm not going to blame anyone for spouting s*ite because the oxygen is a little thinner from up on their moral pulpit. But you know what? I actually don't give a flying [Poor language removed] that he bit Ivanovic. I don't give a flying sh*te what he called Evra any more. I couldn't give a shiney sh*te if he pulled Fabio's hair, dived like Tom Daley, stamped on some [Poor language removed]'s foot or anything else that he might be accused of. Do you know why I feel like this? It's certainly not because I don't possess basic morals and scruples; it's because football doesn't. They allow people to get away with all sorts of sh*te week in and week out. Calling someone a traditional cultural colloquialism is the same as calling someone a ****ing black [Poor language removed] in football's eyes. Homophobia is worth a fine, although homophobic tweeting in an intentional offensive way is worth only £7,000 while doing it as an in-joke, no matter how daft it was, between two friends is worth a £10,000 fine. A player slipping while he goes to make a tackle is worth a three game ban while a lad deliberately jumping two footed onto another player is ok because a ref didn't think it was all that bad. Stamping on a player's chest not seen by the ref but caught on youtube complete with slo-mo and a boss techno soundrack is not worth punishing, but it's worth 4 games if you're Mario Balotelli. A yellow card is sufficient for a bite or is it a 10 game ban? Football and all the governing bodies, not just the FA, are a simmering cesspool of f*cking s*ite, and it's time we stopped judging football by the same moral yardsticks of every day life. Do you honestly think whether we throw one of our own to the wolves or condemn another player from a team for kicking a ball boy, or just shrug our shoulders to it all, anything meaningful is going to change? Pandora has well and truly opened her box of football morality so I'll just treat it as a separate entity to normal life now. Money, 24 hour media, twitter and bloggers, it's all a f*cking pantomine these days and I'm seriously considering jacking it all in, because the whole f*cking shebang doesn't measure up to my personal standards of morality, so why should I bother picking and choosing what bits do?"

So was it Chelsea or a conspiracy then? I can't be arsed reading that but I imagine it was one or the other.

 

[Ratkiller]

I've been on here for a week doing an article, so I'm genuinely not here to cause any trouble, because I'm hoping to come back next season and do another one with all the decent blues on here. But I'm going to leave you with the thoughts of a Liverpool supporter. Now you're well within your rights to tell me to go [Poor language removed] myself, and I won't be replying to anyone, because I'll leave you all to yourselves now. It seems that people who are shouting the loudest about "murderers" "39 Italians" and other stuff like that on here haven't got the foggiest about it, but are happy using it as a stick to beat Liverpool fans with. If you truly wished to show your smpathy with those who died that night, you could at least get their nationalities right to begin with. Only 32 were Italians just so you can get at least one fact right.

There's not a single red I know who doesn't have some shame or guilt attached to what happened at Heysel on behalf of proper fans on behalf of our club, or will ever attempt to deny that a couple of hundred of our supporters shoulder a lot of the blame. The thing is though, I doubt you'd even be able to tell me about the sections of the ground it happened in or how it occurred. I honestly don't even think you know how easily it could have been 39 Liverpool fans who died that night instead. The stadium was a f*cking ****hole, decrepit, crumbling and falling to bits. The Belgian FA got heavily criticised as did the police. From Wiki - The conclusion of the report by Belgium's top judge was "blame should not rest solely with the English fans, and that some culpability lay with the police and authorities. Several top officials were incriminated by some of the dossier’s findings, including police captain Johan Mahieu, who had been in charge of security on 29 May 1985 and was now charged with involuntary manslaughter."

The rioting in the Liverpool section was started by the Juventus fans, and I'm sorry if that doesn't fit the version of events that you would like to believe, but it happens to be the truth and anyone who was there will tell you. Not to absolve themselves of any blame, but because it's what happened. The supposedly neutral section of the ground filled up with mostly Juventus fans and was largely unpoliced and segregated by a bit of chainlink fencing. The Juventus fans charged the Liverpool fans twice, threw flares and rocks and penned the Liverpool fans back into jam packed terraces. Then a few hundred Liverpool fans charged back, and it was this charge that led to the Italian fans dying.

Who started it doesn't matter, who else was to blame doesn't matter; the fact was that a few hundred Liverpool fans have got blood on their hands. The lives of 39 innocent people who died attending a football match are the only things that matter, not a point scoring contest by trying to justify a twisted logic that somehow every Liverpool supporter is to blame. For f*cks sake, the Blue House was my local. Two lads I used to bevvy with, both match going blues, are lifers. I'm not even sure if they're out or not cos I don't live down County Road any more. I watched County Road getting smashed to pieces loads of times in the 80's, I saw Everton fans throwing darts at away fans, mobs meeting the away coaches on the corner of Walton Lane and Priory Road, and as i said earlier, I get sparked in the Bullens myself once. I'm sure you would think I was a tw*t if I used those statistics to call all blues murderers or thugs. But some people don't seem to have a problem labelling 40 odd thousand reds as murderers when they had [Poor language removed] all to do with what happened at Heysel.

I used to be a real tit when I was a kid, I'd be on the Kop singing the Munich songs. But I was about 13 or so, and when an older and much wiser head pointed out to me that I was being a tw*t and should be ashamed of myself for desecrating the memory of the dead, I grew up and shut up sharpish. I never sang it again. There's still some f*cking d*ckheads in our fan base who think it's ok to do it now, but they're ignorant and they'll never learn. But I'm older and wiser now, and I'll try to educate people wherever possible, just like I was educated as a kid. The last year or so has really been amazing in terms of the support we've had from the blue half of Liverpool. Please don't waste the opportunity to put this ridculous murderers nonsense to bed once and for all. Hate the team, hate the attitude of what you believe are our delusional and self-entitled fanbase, but please stop hating us for the wrong reasons. If this has helped make just one person think or go and read about the disaster to educate themselves, it's been worth the effort typing out.

Revisionist nonsense>

The juventus fans were all wearing police gear were they?
It just adds to the whole never your fault attitude that pervades your club. It's what you use to justify the things you do.

You talk about football having no morals. Without any irony whatsoever.

You really couldn't make you lot up.

 

[Ratkiller]

So was it Chelsea or a conspiracy then? I can't be arsed reading that but I imagine it was one or the other.

He said

it's time we stopped judging football by the same moral yardsticks of every day life.

Tells you everything you need to know about the fella.

 

[Fearthainn]

Yep, sounds like a typical kopite to me.

 

[Brennan]

Do you want to explain this for me macca:

[video=youtube;djL5ydEfagE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djL5ydEfagE[/video]

You know, while we're on the subject of 'bitter brain dead blues' as you called us on RAWK.

And before you turn around and say those fans don't 'represent' your fanbase, they're the ones who get tickets to the away games for your lot. In other words, the ones who go on a regular basis.

Thought you were sound until you went to RAWK and started f***ing us all off.

 

[Azzurri]

Macca on RAWK:
"You know what, I've gone on record saying that there were a load of decent lads on there, but there are a load of horrible, bitter, no nothing, unable to read ****ing ****s on there too. I don't expect them to agree with anything I say, but I expect them to at least have a bit of common sense and respect. What's tipped me over the edge is trying to reason and educate a couple of them over Heysel only for one of them to post a picture saying I was a revisionist. Not even ****ing arsed about the points I was trying to make, just intent on doing anything, and using the lives of 39 people to try and score a point on the internet and get like minded ****s to say " yeah, there bad merrderrerrs them!" Some ****ing hope that was. Bitter evil minded c*nts some of them really are. I change what I said at the beginning now directly for those people, who I don't believe represent anything like the decent blue fanbase. I hope we ****ing **** you, you lose every game from now until the end of the season, and you lose out on your coveted "Finishing above Liverpool in consecutive seasons for the first time in nearly 70 years" trophy to fill up Moyes Ikea cabinet. Then next season and every one after that, I hope you just scrape enough points to stay up.

I'm ****ing fuming here. There's a load of them on their ****ing high horse, although I'm sure they're a minority, because some of us complained about them singing "Always the victim" "How dare you accuse us of anything anit-Hillsborough, you're all c*nts. We 'd NEVER EVER say anything about that!" Really? Hypocritical ****ing ****s, and they ****ing know it. The air from their morally superior perch must be so rarified there's no oxygen in it if them brain dead c*nts really believe that. I've personally had a straightener outside their ****ing **** pit with someone who called me a "Merrderrin Hillsborough [Poor language removed]." I've stood in their ****ing ground and watched loads of their ****ing **** fans putting their hands over their faces and doing the crushing action. But now in this spirit of reconciliation, we're trying to get past that, but that doesn't ****ing erase any of their previous behaviour, the ****ing sick ****s. Not all bluenoses are c*nts just like not all ours are saints. And all the blues I know personally are nothing like any of the c*nts I've described. But the rewriting of their history, their obsession with Heysel, even though the ****ing thick ****s say things like "RIP 39 Italians" when they couldn't give two ****s about those people enough to even find out what nationality they were, other than as a stick to constantly throw at us. The "suarez is a ****ing bad racist lid" when I've sat in their ****ing **** pit with my old man as a kid and heard him getting called a ****ing black **** by dozens of their racist [Poor language removed] supporters more times than I care to remember. Your ****ing captain batters DJs and you all stuck up for him lar!" And Duncan Ferguson got that much fan mail when he was in clink, they could have ****ing wallpapered the whole of Barlinnie nick in it. And these same people accuse us of being deluded and hypocritical. I'm not generalising, because they're not all bad. But there are enough of them to make my ****ing blood boil, so for each and every one of the ones I'm describing, you're bitter deluded c*nts and I hope you keep Moyes for another ten years so you can cry bitter tears into your ****ing pints for another ten years. We'll never have 100% friendliness between both sides of the city and I can live with that. But football in general can do without c*nts like these ones. logging off now and concentrating on something else, cos my ****ing heads doen in here."

He is crying and shaking right now.

 

[Azzurri]

" I've stood in their ****ing ground and watched loads of their ****ing **** fans putting their hands over their faces and doing the crushing action

Plus this is complete bollocks.

 

[Del]

Macca's crying and shacking himself into such a state his pushed over a view more walls

 

[JJK]

"You know what, I've gone on record saying that there were a load of decent lads on there, but there are a load of horrible, bitter, no nothing, unable to read ****ing ****s on there too. I don't expect them to agree with anything I say, but I expect them to at least have a bit of common sense and respect. What's tipped me over the edge is trying to reason and educate a couple of them over Heysel only for one of them to post a picture saying I was a revisionist. Not even ****ing arsed about the points I was trying to make, just intent on doing anything, and using the lives of 39 people to try and score a point on the internet and get like minded ****s to say " yeah, there bad merrderrerrs them!" Some ****ing hope that was. Bitter evil minded c*nts some of them really are. I change what I said at the beginning now directly for those people, who I don't believe represent anything like the decent blue fanbase. I hope we ****ing **** you, you lose every game from now until the end of the season, and you lose out on your coveted "Finishing above Liverpool in consecutive seasons for the first time in nearly 70 years" trophy to fill up Moyes Ikea cabinet. Then next season and every one after that, I hope you just scrape enough points to stay up.

I'm ****ing fuming here. There's a load of them on their ****ing high horse, although I'm sure they're a minority, because some of us complained about them singing "Always the victim" "How dare you accuse us of anything anit-Hillsborough, you're all c*nts. We 'd NEVER EVER say anything about that!" Really? Hypocritical ****ing ****s, and they ****ing know it. The air from their morally superior perch must be so rarified there's no oxygen in it if them brain dead c*nts really believe that. I've personally had a straightener outside their ****ing **** pit with someone who called me a "Merrderrin Hillsborough [Poor language removed]." I've stood in their ****ing ground and watched loads of their ****ing **** fans putting their hands over their faces and doing the crushing action. But now in this spirit of reconciliation, we're trying to get past that, but that doesn't ****ing erase any of their previous behaviour, the ****ing sick ****s. Not all bluenoses are c*nts just like not all ours are saints. And all the blues I know personally are nothing like any of the c*nts I've described. But the rewriting of their history, their obsession with Heysel, even though the ****ing thick ****s say things like "RIP 39 Italians" when they couldn't give two ****s about those people enough to even find out what nationality they were, other than as a stick to constantly throw at us. The "suarez is a ****ing bad racist lid" when I've sat in their ****ing **** pit with my old man as a kid and heard him getting called a ****ing black **** by dozens of their racist [Poor language removed] supporters more times than I care to remember. Your ****ing captain batters DJs and you all stuck up for him lar!" And Duncan Ferguson got that much fan mail when he was in clink, they could have ****ing wallpapered the whole of Barlinnie nick in it. And these same people accuse us of being deluded and hypocritical. I'm not generalising, because they're not all bad. But there are enough of them to make my ****ing blood boil, so for each and every one of the ones I'm describing, you're bitter deluded c*nts and I hope you keep Moyes for another ten years so you can cry bitter tears into your ****ing pints for another ten years. We'll never have 100% friendliness between both sides of the city and I can live with that. But football in general can do without c*nts like these ones. logging off now and concentrating on something else, cos my ****ing heads doen in here."


HAHAHA The poor lads having a breakdown.

 

[Del]

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