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Tree13 said:
I honestly don't see how he can.

TFA wasn't good at all - it was a direct remake of ANH, but with far less interesting characters. And because the plot was so easily recognised as a direct remake, we all knew what was going to happen once we were about 30 minutes into the movie, which denuded it of any thrill or suspense. It is frankly terrifying that despite this, it was still better than TLJ by miles.
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I really enjoyed The Force Awakens. The similarities didn't bother me and I was happy to have something that felt like Star Wars back.

ijjysmith said:
You mean continue the great work from Last Jedi. Good man.
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The Last Jedi is utter turd.
 
neil999 said:
I liked last jedi... Good fun
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I'm sitting on the fence with it, if you take it as a stand alone film then it isn't so bad, I enjoyed watching it. However it pretty much bulldozed having any chance of a nice linear trilogy. All that setting up of Snoke in TFA just to be put aside in TLJ and you sit there none the wiser. It kind of reminds me of the exercise you used to do in class, where someone writes the first page of a story and then it gets passed on for someone else to continue it and so on. That little brat Johnson is the kid that read what JJ wrote and then decided he would write something completely different just using the same character names. I also think the ending of TLJ would have been more appropriate for the 9th film, he just hasn't created the bridge that the ESB does so well. Where is the cliffhanger FFS!?

You also have to unplug your brain to get over the nonsense of the slowest car (ok spaceship...) chase ever committed to film. But there are also some redeeming parts in it. JJ gives me hope that he will be able to shoehorn something out of it all to take it forward. TFA is a vastly superior film to TLJ and is only tarnished by it's plot being similar to the original 1977 film.
 
The binman chronicles said:
I'm sitting on the fence with it, if you take it as a stand alone film then it isn't so bad, I enjoyed watching it. However it pretty much bulldozed having any chance of a nice linear trilogy. All that setting up of Snoke in TFA just to be put aside in TLJ and you sit there none the wiser. It kind of reminds me of the exercise you used to do in class, where someone writes the first page of a story and then it gets passed on for someone else to continue it and so on. That little brat Johnson is the kid that read what JJ wrote and then decided he would write something completely different just using the same character names. I also think the ending of TLJ would have been more appropriate for the 9th film, he just hasn't created the bridge that the ESB does so well. Where is the cliffhanger FFS!?

You also have to unplug your brain to get over the nonsense of the slowest car (ok spaceship...) chase ever committed to film. But there are also some redeeming parts in it. JJ gives me hope that he will be able to shoehorn something out of it all to take it forward. TFA is a vastly superior film to TLJ and is only tarnished by it's plot being similar to the original 1977 film.
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The last Jedi is a perfect example of the benefits of having a George Lucas figure having some consistent control over the narrative trajectory of the entire trilogy... and believe me after the prequels I never thought I’d be praising Lucas. From the original trilogy it’s clear that Lucas has some good ideas, some great ones and some not so good ones and from the prequel trilogy it’s obvious he has some major weaknesses such as writing dialogue for example (“I don’t like sand”... “only a sith deals in absolutes” etc).

However with ESB and ROTJ the filmmaking process, despite having different directors, clearly seemed to be all moving in one direction and this meant that the narrative progress also felt that it was moving in one coherent and consistent direction. ROTJ seems to get a lot of stick now but when you stick it next to TLJ it’s a freaking masterpiece.

I just can’t believe that Disney let Rian Johnson run as wild and free as he did. It genuinely blows my mind that they let him pretty much do what he wanted when let’s face it, his filmography is not that spectacular. Clearly they know they messed up as the trailer for IX already seems to be starting the damage limitation and is attempting to right the wrongs of TLJ. Let’s face it there’s more lightsabers in that trailer alone and the fact Luke’s voice is prominently heard suggests they know how he went out wasn’t good enough for his character. And before people say it’s only “fanboys” who didn’t like TLJ I would tell those people to watch any video of mark hammil’s press work for that film. It’s so obvious he knows the film is garbage or at best tonally wrong and simply all over the place.
 
Deckard2049 said:
The last Jedi is a perfect example of the benefits of having a George Lucas figure having some consistent control over the narrative trajectory of the entire trilogy... and believe me after the prequels I never thought I’d be praising Lucas. From the original trilogy it’s clear that Lucas has some good ideas, some great ones and some not so good ones and from the prequel trilogy it’s obvious he has some major weaknesses such as writing dialogue for example (“I don’t like sand”... “only a sith deals in absolutes” etc).

However with ESB and ROTJ the filmmaking process, despite having different directors, clearly seemed to be all moving in one direction and this meant that the narrative progress also felt that it was moving in one coherent and consistent direction. ROTJ seems to get a lot of stick now but when you stick it next to TLJ it’s a freaking masterpiece.

I just can’t believe that Disney let Rian Johnson run as wild and free as he did. It genuinely blows my mind that they let him pretty much do what he wanted when let’s face it, his filmography is not that spectacular. Clearly they know they messed up as the trailer for IX already seems to be starting the damage limitation and is attempting to right the wrongs of TLJ. Let’s face it there’s more lightsabers in that trailer alone and the fact Luke’s voice is prominently heard suggests they know how he went out wasn’t good enough for his character. And before people say it’s only “fanboys” who didn’t like TLJ I would tell those people to watch any video of mark hammil’s press work for that film. It’s so obvious he knows the film is garbage or at best tonally wrong and simply all over the place.
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I disagree - if anything, 7 and 8 share the same fundamental problems as 1,2 and 3 did; they are all spectacular films where we the audience are encouraged to see things happen. The fall of the Republic, the creation of Vader, the return (and death) of Han Solo and Luke, huge space battles, lightsaber fights etc, all massive visual events that have the effect of ruining the rest of the film because it requires the events to take centre stage rather than the characters and their development. That was why in 2 and 3 there were so many nonsense scenes where a character (usually Padme) had to describe what was going on inbetween the spectacles, and why almost nothing that any of those characters did actually made sense (Anakin's turn to the dark side being infamous here).

To put it another way - perhaps it is interesting that the film that is widely seen as being the best of the lot (ESB) has the least amount of space battles, the equal least amount of lightsaber duels, only one set-piece big battle scene (and that is right at the start of the film), the least amount of wacky planets visited and is the film in which the overall story (in terms of the Rebellion against the Empire) is moved on the least. Half the characters spend two thirds of the film on the same very small ship!

Ironically these flaws were also present in Lucas's hero Kurosawa - whose early films are all character-driven masterpieces (indeed in his best - Seven Samurai and Yojimbo - there isn't any wider story) whereas his later films (Ran being the best example) are visually stunning in terms of the scenes they portray but dull.
 

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