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They'll never do that - sanctions are already horrifically overused and the longer that goes on / the wider they are applied the less effective they become (as the more incentive there is to find work-arounds).

Countries are trading with Russia because they need what Russia provides, especially given the current state of the world economy. A much better economic weapon would be to provide those companies with energy or replacement technology (especially renewables) and provide agricultural help so that they no longer need to trade with Russia so much. Expanding renewables will trash the price of oil and gas permanently.
You speak a lot of sense, however the solution you describe may be seen as something that’s over the horizon for the US hawks in the senate. They are looking for something that will quickly bring Russia to its knees. The US have already applied this level of sanctions to Iran and N Korea and in a limited level to certain companies dealing with China. So to say they’d never do this to Russia is imo a wee bit presumptuous.
 
You speak a lot of sense, however the solution you describe may be seen as something that’s over the horizon for the US hawks in the senate. They are looking for something that will quickly bring Russia to its knees. The US have already applied this level of sanctions to Iran and N Korea and in a limited level to certain companies dealing with China. So to say they’d never do this to Russia is imo a wee bit presumptuous.

Iran, NK and those Chinese firms are all still with us though, and in the case of the former are likely to have sanctions reduced. Start going after loads more - including firms in ally nations like the EU and India - and there will be even less success than what we see now.

I do worry that the collective West had a complete brain fart when it reacted in the way that it did to the invasion; it could perhaps be argued that we forgot why the USSR fell in the rush to be seen to "do something" and as a result we've ended up strengthening the regime.
 
Iran, NK and those Chinese firms are all still with us though, and in the case of the former are likely to have sanctions reduced. Start going after loads more - including firms in ally nations like the EU and India - and there will be even less success than what we see now.

I do worry that the collective West had a complete brain fart when it reacted in the way that it did to the invasion; it could perhaps be argued that we forgot why the USSR fell in the rush to be seen to "do something" and as a result we've ended up strengthening the regime.
I don’t perceive the current Russian regime as strengthened. Sanctions are starting to bite. Their airline industry is screwed, their car industry is screwed. Yes they’ve stabilised things but only in the short term. Russia is heading toward a low-tech economy.

Someone on here mentioned the brain-drain. That’s a good point, as a lot of middle-class / wealthy Ru citizens who worked in tech industries have bugged out to Turkey, UAE and Serbia. Russia has lost a great many of the people who made their economy tick.

The ultimate result of sanctions will see the continued existence of Russia but it will be a low-tech Russia unless they sort their stuff out and get the hell out of Ukraine.
 
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Putin is draining the military material within Russia. If there is one thing that WW2 proved it was that western manufacturing strength and sheer manufacturing capability will win. If the west keeps supporting Ukraine and the Ukrainians keep up with the fight, eventually Russia will lose, and will be militarily weakened for decades…..the USA and the West would be stupid not to pursue this approach…..
 
Putin is draining the military material within Russia. If there is one thing that WW2 proved it was that western manufacturing strength and sheer manufacturing capability will win. If the west keeps supporting Ukraine and the Ukrainians keep up with the fight, eventually Russia will lose, and will be militarily weakened for decades…..the USA and the West would be stupid not to pursue this approach…..

I think you may have misread how WW2 was prosecuted in the western theatre.
 
I didn’t mention the Western theatre.…
Only winners here are the arms manufacturers as ever from whatever side the real criminals are those who sell these weapons around the globe . We are on the eve of destruction. Your children and grandchildren will damn you to hell.
 
No. The West will charge the rebuild all to Ukraine and hold them in debt for the rest of time when companies like Halliburton move in after the war..
They'll have to pay the loan-lease charges for all the armaments first. Let them chase Russia for the reparations.
 
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