Current Affairs Ukraine

[Sassy Colombian]

Ok. So this is confusing to me. A few weeks ago, people including myself were being critical of a US Senator because he said Putin should be assassinated, now because it’s the President calling Putin a butcher and that he should be removed it’s ok?

Now don’t get me wrong I agree with the statements, my point is that they are not the cleverest of statements when you are on the world stage trying to negotiate for the lives of innocent people. I say negotiate because I don’t see much else being done for the people of Ukraine.

Who pays the price every time we antagonize this nutter even further?. (I doubt Putin reads GOT).

I don’t think it is confusing at all. After Biden met with refugees and saw their anguish he spoke frankly about what he, about what many of us wish to happen to Putin, that he is not longer a leader of the Russian nation. While it may not have been the most wise political statement, it was the truth and sometimes it is hard even for a world leader to stay away from speaking sincerely about their feelings. The reality is that many of us feel Putin is a murderous individual that has done so much to end the vivid spirit of Ukrainians that we all wish he wasn’t their leader of Russia anymore. Biden said the truth, even if at times the truth is hurtful, even if at times the truth is not the best political position, sometimes one just speak from the heart, like Biden did yesterday.

 

[marnie]

I don’t think it is confusing at all. After Biden met with refugees and saw their anguish he spoke frankly about what he, about what many of us wish to happen to Putin, that he is not longer a leader of the Russian nation. While it may not have been the most wise political statement, it was the truth and sometimes it is hard even for a world leader to stay away from speaking sincerely about their feelings. The reality is that many of us feel Putin is a murderous individual that has done so much to end the vivid spirit of Ukrainians that we all wish he wasn’t their leader of Russia anymore. Biden said the truth, even if at times the truth is hurtful, even if at times the truth is not the best political position, sometimes one just speak from the heart, like Biden did yesterday.

Everyone on the planet thinks and knows it. He maybe should have said it to other NATO leaders in private. xxx

 

[Frenk]

I don’t think it is confusing at all. After Biden met with refugees and saw their anguish he spoke frankly about what he, about what many of us wish to happen to Putin, that he is not longer a leader of the Russian nation. While it may not have been the most wise political statement, it was the truth and sometimes it is hard even for a world leader to stay away from speaking sincerely about their feelings. The reality is that many of us feel Putin is a murderous individual that has done so much to end the vivid spirit of Ukrainians that we all wish he wasn’t their leader of Russia anymore. Biden said the truth, even if at times the truth is hurtful, even if at times the truth is not the best political position, sometimes one just speak from the heart, like Biden did yesterday.

You see I agree with all of this. Just like I agree with the statement made by that senator a few weeks back. However in the political arena I still think they were dumbass comments, that may be harsh but it’s how I feel about it.

 

[blulouie]

I don’t think it is confusing at all. After Biden met with refugees and saw their anguish he spoke frankly about what he, about what many of us wish to happen to Putin, that he is not longer a leader of the Russian nation. While it may not have been the most wise political statement, it was the truth and sometimes it is hard even for a world leader to stay away from speaking sincerely about their feelings. The reality is that many of us feel Putin is a murderous individual that has done so much to end the vivid spirit of Ukrainians that we all wish he wasn’t their leader of Russia anymore. Biden said the truth, even if at times the truth is hurtful, even if at times the truth is not the best political position, sometimes one just speak from the heart, like Biden did yesterday.

Not particularly a fan of Biden but he's been right to be reserved in his comments tbh.
He looks to be eering on the edge of caution which is a good thing imo.

How's the groundswell with the American populous about whats going on in Ukraine ? doesnt seem to be in the media too much.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You see I agree with all of this. Just like I agree with the statement made by that senator a few weeks back. However in the political arena I still think they were dumbass comments, that may be harsh but it’s how I feel about it.

Saying what we think and having state craft is two separate things. Was he right in what he said? Of course, we need Putin gone. Was it right to say in public? No.

I might be going off at a tangent here but bear with, I keep thinking back to Colonel Trautman's speech to the sheriff in First Blood where he says you should have let Rambo slip through the gap and then be able to pick him up later quietly. By making a paranoid person think the west I going to inact regime change probably isn't the best course of action, we need to give him an easy out and the more he believes he is losing face the more likely his is to do something rash to change that outlook.

Harsh rhetoric is likely to push us further into confrontation which is not going to be good for anyone. You shouldn't have to pander to despots but WMDs change that and sometimes you need to have some carrot in there to go with the stick.

 

[Frenk]

Saying what we think and having state craft is two separate things. Was he right in what he said? Of course, we need Putin gone. Was it right to say in public? No.

I might be going off at a tangent here but bear with, I keep thinking back to Colonel Trautman's speech to the sheriff in First Blood where he says you should have let Rambo slip through the gap and then be able to pick him up later quietly. By making a paranoid person think the west I going to inact regime change probably isn't the best course of action, we need to give him an easy out and the more he believes he is losing face the more likely his is to do something rash to change that outlook.

Harsh rhetoric is likely to push us further into confrontation which is not going to be good for anyone. You shouldn't have to pander to despots but WMDs change that and sometimes you need to have some carrot in there to go with the stick.

No, I think you summed it up perfectly ?

 

[PeregrineT]

Not particularly a fan of Biden but he's been right to be reserved in his comments tbh.
He looks to be eering on the edge of caution which is a good thing imo.

How's the groundswell with the American populous about whats going on in Ukraine ? doesnt seem to be in the media too much.

Basically in the US pretty much everybody is furious with Russia, and heavily backing and supporting Ukraine. I mean I know several people who are Ukranian, who have family in Kiev, and at least in this area thats not that uncommon. In general people in the US arent into the blowing up children as much as Putin seems to be. You always have outliers but its a very small minority.

Literally had friends post a photo of their random WV neighbor now proudly displaying a Ukraine flag because its just that widespread. Biden seems like he has some kind of late stage mental issues leading to that kind of stuff, but it doesnt really impact the general US view as to whos to blame and whats to be done. Id say easily most americans view it as proof Putin and Russia as it is currently has no more place in the world. Theres definitely less daily updates than over there in europe as it is a bit more removed(for now), but the view is pretty similar Id say.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Saying what we think and having state craft is two separate things. Was he right in what he said? Of course, we need Putin gone. Was it right to say in public? No.

I might be going off at a tangent here but bear with, I keep thinking back to Colonel Trautman's speech to the sheriff in First Blood where he says you should have let Rambo slip through the gap and then be able to pick him up later quietly. By making a paranoid person think the west I going to inact regime change probably isn't the best course of action, we need to give him an easy out and the more he believes he is losing face the more likely his is to do something rash to change that outlook.

Harsh rhetoric is likely to push us further into confrontation which is not going to be good for anyone. You shouldn't have to pander to despots but WMDs change that and sometimes you need to have some carrot in there to go with the stick.

Put yourself in the shoes of the nations who have been subjugated by Russian force though and talking nicely didn't exactly work out well at Munich or Yalta. Sometimes monsters need to be stood up to, not appeased.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Not instantly.

I get it, people dont want to believe that the people they are cheering for are tainted.

War is indeed hell.

Pipe down goatski

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Ok. So this is confusing to me. A few weeks ago, people including myself were being critical of a US Senator because he said Putin should be assassinated, now because it’s the President calling Putin a butcher and that he should be removed it’s ok?

Now don’t get me wrong I agree with the statements, my point is that they are not the cleverest of statements when you are on the world stage trying to negotiate for the lives of innocent people. I say negotiate because I don’t see much else being done for the people of Ukraine.

Who pays the price every time we antagonize this nutter even further?. (I doubt Putin reads GOT).

Ultimately, the west will not deal
With Russia again while putin is In charge. Rather than point the finger at Biden, all western leaders should be saying that putin need to go, making sure that he and the russian people are aware that Russia will remain firmly in the cold until he’s gone. Again, it’s kind of obvious

 

[bluebud]

Good read this, apparently some of the Ukrainian pilots are already trained to fly F-16’s.

DISPATCH: Interview With a Ukrainian MiG-29 Pilot | Coffee or Die

Emotional compartmentalization is among the fighter pilot’s most essential skills. Especially in wartime, when there is little time to reflect.

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[The binman chronicles]

Put yourself in the shoes of the nations who have been subjugated by Russian force though and talking nicely didn't exactly work out well at Munich or Yalta. Sometimes monsters need to be stood up to, not appeased.

Well I'm not talking exactly appeasement. The sanctions are the strongest given against any country in the modern era, this is correct and we are arming Ukraine with weapons, also right and proper. Biden could come out with he hopes the Russian people vote the correct way when the next election comes, obviously we know it's a fix but it puts out the same message without the 'we're looking to topple you'.

We need to give him a get out of jail card for the Ukrainian's sake as if he decides to double down and use chemical/biological/nuclear weapons it's the people there that will suffer the most.

 

[efcfanwirral]

I don’t think it is confusing at all. After Biden met with refugees and saw their anguish he spoke frankly about what he, about what many of us wish to happen to Putin, that he is not longer a leader of the Russian nation. While it may not have been the most wise political statement, it was the truth and sometimes it is hard even for a world leader to stay away from speaking sincerely about their feelings. The reality is that many of us feel Putin is a murderous individual that has done so much to end the vivid spirit of Ukrainians that we all wish he wasn’t their leader of Russia anymore. Biden said the truth, even if at times the truth is hurtful, even if at times the truth is not the best political position, sometimes one just speak from the heart, like Biden did yesterday.

For me Biden has potentially ALL our lives in his hands so should be more measured in his statements. It's not just "political position", this is actual war we may all end up involved in if he makes the wrong moves.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well I'm not talking exactly appeasement. The sanctions are the strongest given against any country in the modern era, this is correct and we are arming Ukraine with weapons, also right and proper. Biden could come out with he hopes the Russian people vote the correct way when the next election comes, obviously we know it's a fix but it puts out the same message without the 'we're looking to topple you'.

We need to give him a get out of jail card for the Ukrainian's sake as if he decides to double down and use chemical/biological/nuclear weapons it's the people there that will suffer the most.

There is no "giving him an easy way out" IMO, as if we do we'll be right back here again in no time. As I said, if you ask people who were subjugated by Russia for 40 odd years and they'll very much appreciate this in a way that the west seldom has. Offering him a way out will be Yalta II.