Current Affairs Ukraine

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Mutzo Nutzo said:
I think they are domestically produced but with a twist. I reckon that UK and other nations are slipping Ukraine blueprints, design specs and access to certain components that allow them to reverse engineer and produce their own weapon systems.

Ukraine then modifies the designs to suit the requirements it has operating in such an electronically hostile environment. Western nations then monitor outcomes and adapt their own original designs accordingly.

Ukraine gets what it wants (domestically produced LR fires) and the Western nations (not including US here) get battle-proven weapon systems.

Winner winner chicken dinner
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They've been designing their own drone systems and are well along the line for developing their own domestically manufactured ballistic missile systems. Where they manufacture, in country.

I think they'll continue to need support on artillery production and/or air defence for years however.

There are western monitors over there for definite, and definitely reporting back. You only have to see what the US Army is doing now, it is getting rid of ALL towed artillery for self propelled, as towed just takes too long to set up before they get counter battery. I think they're really mothball a % in case they ever face high altitude insurgencies again. They say they are doing that because of what has been seen in Ukraine.

They've also completely changed the specification for the next gen Abrams and are going for a lighter weight but higher specification and up armoured tank, with more automation and a three man crew. This is all based on "lessons learned" in Ukraine

Basically anything without an active protection system is becoming obsolete.

I also think that within 5 to 10 years we'll see a directed energy weapon active protection system fielded. It's going that way. That's just my opinion.

Learning something every day from what is going on in Ukraine
 
Cecil said:
If they make the Russians go about things differently than they have been then surely it’s a game changer. One weapon system be it long range missiles or an F-16 isn’t going to end the war. I don’t even really rate the F-16 and think other planes would have been more useful but I’m just a small voice on the internet hoping for peace.
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Unfortunately they've made the Russians go about things in ways that have given them better results. Lots of US ex F16 pilots are on record saying that the plane isn't suitable for the conditions in Ukraine,but they were built up so much that it can only lower morale if some are lost.
 
Cecil said:
If they make the Russians go about things differently than they have been then surely it’s a game changer. One weapon system be it long range missiles or an F-16 isn’t going to end the war. I don’t even really rate the F-16 and think other planes would have been more useful but I’m just a small voice on the internet hoping for peace.
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On here that makes you a cowardly appeasement loving Putin supporter. I've posted consistently since the Pentagon papers were leaked that a ceasefire was the only sensible action for the Ukrainian government. If they had then they would have been in a much stronger position to negotiate a longer term peace.
 
davids said:
On here that makes you a cowardly appeasement loving Putin supporter. I've posted consistently since the Pentagon papers were leaked that a ceasefire was the only sensible action for the Ukrainian government. If they had then they would have been in a much stronger position to negotiate a longer term peace.
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As I replied to you earlier this thread on the subject of the leaked papers.

You keep banging on about these leaked US military papers like some kind of weird mantra. These documents started to be released in early January 2023. They contained a lot of stuff about Ukraine, Iran, Russia, China etc….

The stuff that was pertinent to the Russia / Ukraine war (the point you keep making) related to supposed US analysis of the war in the Donbas region only.

It stated that the US could only see a stalemate in that region as the outcome. The assessment was made based on manpower, heavy armour, training, intel, tactics and available arty capabilities at the time (early 2023).

You have to be mindful that the war is being waged in a far wider scope than just the Donbas region (Luhansk, Donetsk oblasts). The war now includes Zaporizhia, Karkhiv, Kherson and Sumi oblasts and now Kursk in Russia.

Also many things have changed in the Ukrainian Military since the reports were leaked. New tactics, new military leadership, new weapons and ammunition

So in reality the detail and analysis contained in these papers is limited, outdated and should now be regarded as meaningless in the current context of the war.

So do us all a favour, rack up your piss bag, jump on your mobility scooter and fk off somewhere else you boring crusty old fossil
 
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