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Yarrgh
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Surely a country's veto is a fundamental part of the EU? It's a slippery slope that is being mooted here.
The EU is between a rock and a hard place if they can't get Hungary on side.
vote em out instead!
Spadge Vernacular
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Sadly Orban is a Putin nurtured cancer. It seems clear enough that he is in the EU whilst simultaneously following the Kremlins objectives.
Yarrgh
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There's likely to be more who are sympathetic to Putin with the rise of extremist politics. Look at who got the most votes in the Netherlands, how close Le Pen got to winning and who actually is in charge of Italy.
Obviously the US elections cycle is critical but the next cycle of elections in Europe could be equally so. I am sure Putin has already stuck his oar in.
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Aye, Putin has been very cunning in playing the long game and is shaping a world of autocracy. Imagine what we would be leaving to our children if he succeeds.
tsubaki
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Sadly the governing parties across much of Europe will prefer extremist opposition, because they think it will mean they don't have to reform things.
If there was a real effort to do something to reduce inequality, reduce the cost of living and improve the lot of the people the far right threat would shrivel away to nothing.
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Drico
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It's the only way the EU can expand.
Right now, in the absence of qualified majority voting, i.e., the elimination of the national veto in some areas, there is no way for Ukraine, for example, to join. It would be madness giving another country a veto that can be deployed to undermine us all from within.
So, we have a choice. Reform so that one country cannot hold up the other 26, or accept that expansion can never happen.
There may be a system put in place whereby countries can choose a few "key interests" that they can wield a veto on, but that won't be extend to a cuckoo in the nest like Orban bringing us down from within.
The truth is, the EU has turned a blind eye for too long at those who who do not share basic rule of law values. And, actually, it is this expedient waving away of legitimate concerns by the likes of von der Leyen which will be the death knell for Ukraine's membership bid. Quite simply, there are no protections right now for the rest of the EU in leaving any new member in - especially as they could turn rogue very quickly.
vote hungary out, give their place at the table to Ukraine.
What a fine reminder to toe the line that'll be. Got to make it stick though, full pariah state. Hammer the lot at the top and seize their offshore holdings and yachts and whatnot. Imagine what a fine lesson to the would be modern-national-socialists it could be. You think your lot is bad as things stand? Ohhh no!
Drico
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As the rules stand, that's impossible. All it would take is one country to defend Hungary with its veto. Step forward Slovakia.
So, unless there is a profound reform of voting rights, no more expansion. Anybody proposing new joiners without voting reform wants to kill the EU.
Bin them as well then. Time to choose, Western democracy or Iron curtain. The longer they are allowed to obfuscate on russia's behalf the more murder and rape commit against those that want to choose democracy. Push was always going to come to shove, now here it is, chamberlain came back with his piece of paper and it was his career death knell - parallel lines...
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Russia Jails Prominent Bashkir Activist 4 Years Amid Mass Regional Protests - The Moscow Times
A court in Russia’s republic of Bashkortostan sentenced prominent local activist Fayil Alsynov to four years in a penal colony on charges of “inciting interethnic hatred,” the regional news outlet Idel.Realii reported Wednesday. The case against the activist has mobilized many in the Ural...
Drico
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I don't disagree. An uncomfortable truth for the EU is that it has expanded too far east too fast. Unless rules can be reformed to ensure the cuckoos can be kicked out, there will be no further expansion, despite what self-serving short-term ambitious types like von der Leyen say. And this should apply to western members too. Any extremist governments elected in those countries should also be met with sanctions. In the end, there is either an acceptance of the rule of law based on certain non-negotiable values or there is not. If the latter, out!
The bickering and self-serving nature of 'me first' attitudes comes to the fore, stoked from the sidelines by those that want and prosper from division and suddenly the world is the blink of an eye away from mass slaughter and bloodshed unseen before. Irony of expansion is that the EU in the main want Ukraine inside the bubble and there's a lot of land to work and people to work it to prop up the initial 'into the fold' period. Imagine closing EU airspace off to slovakia and hungary, and of course denying all entry via land beyond their borders. Build em a new Brandenburg gate and sanction them back to the stone age. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. The safety and stability and the trading amongst EU compatriots has been taken for granted, it's an awful lot colder out there in the winds of the eastern front.
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