Current Affairs Ukraine

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I'm not sure that you have understood my post.
I understand it perfectly well. Putin is a savage. But the idea he is going to attack the Baltics only makes sense if Trump turns a blind eye or NATO blinks. And that's on us in the West.

I don't see a West that is united enough to defeat him even strategically as things stand. NATO will not risk a nuclear escalation for Ukraine. I fully expect the Americans to throw them under the bus in the next 18 months.
 
A test in democracy. Pure brinksmanship. Can the bloc vote Hungary out for shilling for putin? or invent a new majority rule where one vote against can be over ruled. The sharpened swords and hammers and sickles of communisms glory days die hard.
 
I understand it perfectly well. Putin is a savage. But the idea he is going to attack the Baltics only makes sense if Trump turns a blind eye or NATO blinks. And that's on us in the West.

I don't see a West that is united enough to defeat him even strategically as things stand. NATO will not risk a nuclear escalation for Ukraine. I fully expect the Americans to throw them under the bus in the next 18 months.
I did not mention attacking the Baltics. He is planning to bring us under his sphere of influence using hybrid methods.







That said, it would be folly to ignore the noises he is making about protecting Russians in Europe states as he did with Ukraine. He will be hoping to do that with new political friends across the West.
 
I did not mention attacking the Baltics. He is planning to bring us under his sphere of influence using hybrid methods.







That said, it would be folly to ignore the noises he is making about protecting Russians in Europe states as he did with Ukraine. He will be hoping to do that with new political friends across the West.
The way to deal with Putin is to deal with the cuckoos in our own nest. The likes of Trump, Orban, Wilders, Le Pen etc. These people are not being elected by Putin. They are being elected by Americans and Europeans. Until we address our own houses, militarism is simply building up false hopes in places like Ukraine and playing into the hands of the weapons industry. More arms to Zelenskyy doesn't address the cuckoos in the nest that we must confront.
 
The way to deal with Putin is to deal with the cuckoos in our own nest. The likes of Trump, Orban, Wilders, Le Pen etc. These people are not being elected by Putin. They are being elected by Americans and Europeans. Until we address our own houses, militarism is simply building up false hopes in places like Ukraine and playing into the hands of the weapons industry. More arms to Zelenskky doesn't address the cuckoos in the nest that we must confront.
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Everywhere has a shot-stain like this, just not quite so parasitically successful.
 
The way to deal with Putin is to deal with the cuckoos in our own nest. The likes of Trump, Orban, Wilders, Le Pen etc. These people are not being elected by Putin. They are being elected by Americans and Europeans. Until we address our own houses, militarism is simply building up false hopes in places like Ukraine and playing into the hands of the weapons industry. More arms to Zelenskyy doesn't address the cuckoos in the nest that we must confront.
It seems that you might be missing the obvious. Do you think that the boats and migrant fury, the they/them LGBQT hysteria and the likes are not a part of the Kremlins strategy. Their troll farms, their sponsoring political voices to stoke these fires, social media, news mothpieces like Carlson, Musks X et al. Until we deal with Putins regime and secondary infektion we will face more of the same as they and a further drift to the right.
 
It seems that you might be missing the obvious. Do you think that the boats and migrant fury, the they/them LGBQT hysteria and the likes are not a part of the Kremlins strategy. Their troll farms, their sponsoring political voices to stoke these fires, social media, news mothpieces like Carlson, Musks X et al. Until we deal with Putins regime and secondary infektion we will face more of the same as they and a further drift to the right.
It seems like you want to be snotty tonight.

How are we going to deal with Putin without starting a nuclear war? Do you want to call his bluff? Would you take the risk in doing that? Because, frankly, there is no appetite to do that.
 
Tell that to NATO! They're the ones not inviting in the Ukrainians or the Moldovans.

Do NATO want to expand, or are they not inviting new members? You've claimed both now.

Pretty sure that part of the conditions for NATO membership are that a candidate nation is in control of its own borders and territories. Ukraine's 'issues' along their border with Russia (and Crimea) and Moldova's with Transnistria are preventing membership according to NATO's requirements.

Awfully convenient for Vlad that, innit.
 
It seems that you might be missing the obvious. Do you think that the boats and migrant fury, the they/them LGBQT hysteria and the likes are not a part of the Kremlins strategy. Their troll farms, their sponsoring political voices to stoke these fires, social media, news mothpieces like Carlson, Musks X et al. Until we deal with Putins regime and secondary infektion we will face more of the same as they and a further drift to the right.
And whether it is Putin's strategy or not - I'm sure it is - it is also the strategy of many Americans and Europeans. We need to start looking INSIDE as well as outside to see the threat. Chaning Putin's regime will still not eliminate the likes of Orban or Trump. It's way beyond Russia. We are being eaten by our own.
 
Do NATO want to expand, or are they not inviting new members? You've claimed both now.

Pretty sure that part of the conditions for NATO membership are that a candidate nation is in control of its own borders and territories. Ukraine's 'issues' along their border with Russia (and Crimea) and Moldova's with Transnistria are preventing membership according to NATO's requirements.

Awfully convenient for Vlad that, innit.
Clearly NATO are happy to expand (when it suits its members). Finland is proof of that. And, yes, they want to expand without risking a nuclear war - hence the rules you are referring to. But if they are not taking in, say, Ukraine or Moldova, for their own reasons, then they've drawn their line in the sand. What we are left with then is a forever war or stalemate that will end as soon as the Americans elect Putin's puppet next year. A mess.
 
Snotty :eek:

Ukraine should be supported to the point that they can push Russia out of the occupied Ukraine lands.
I have no issue with this. I think the West owes it to the Ukrainians to give them as much support as possible. But it is obvious the appetite is not there. if the West really really wanted to support the Ukrainians, they would invite them into NATO immediately. But they won't run that risk - probably correctly. So. it's limbo. And that plays into Putin's hands.
 
That is an impossibility though - you cannot have a stronger Europe within NATO, because if you do then the argument for NATO (as an American shield to protect Europe) is removed; Europe is already strong enough to not need it.

The EU urgently needs to example what it wants to be and, if ever closer union is the aim (and it should be) then it needs to establish the means by which it can defend itself without any US involvement. That means pan-EU armed forces and a pan-EU foreign policy. Doing that will considerably boost security here and worldwide. Relying on the current version of NATO will just result in its demise.
I disagree. NATO as a defensive entity has the structure, governance and command and control elements already in place. Its structure, training command and control functions are already stress tested and functional with close cooperation between allied states.

The thing needs to change is for European nations to take more responsibility for their own patch. They need to increase funding, increase weapons and ammunition manufacturing and improve on logistics and increase war storage. The US will and should always be there but in a slightly diluted role within Europe.

Moving to a completely new EU force would IMO be a disaster. You would need to start from the ground up. War-fighting capabilities, C2/3/4 functionalities, comms , Intel, logistics would all need to be started from scratch. It could take 15 years for that kind of force to become fully combat capable.

I think we’re all acutely aware that the focus of the US going forward will be China and because of that European NATO states need to take up the slack (starting now).
 
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