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[davek]

You could not have confirmed his points better than you have with this. Well done you.

It deserved no better response. It was infantile, conspiracy theory tommyrot.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It deserved no better response. It was infantile, conspiracy theory tommyrot.

He's nailed you, Dave. You should go and sit in your room and consider his points, You have been a very naughty boy.

 

[Xizor]

He's nailed you, Dave. You should go and sit in your room and consider his points, You have been a very naughty boy.

It won't get through, because this subject isn't actually something Dave is interested in, he's just a paid up member of his team and has nothing better to do than vent his spleen against enemies, enemies who are all mysteriously Jewish or involved in groups such as 'Friends of Israel'. It's all about scoring points for the side, and there's no level of reason that will reach him now, because it's all just going to be perceived as an attack and set the hackles up.

 

[Martin Alvito]

It won't get through, because this subject isn't actually something Dave is interested in, he's just a paid up member of his team and has nothing better to do than vent his spleen against enemies, enemies who are all mysteriously Jewish or involved in groups such as 'Friends of Israel'. It's all about scoring points for the side, and there's no level of reason that will reach him now, because it's all just going to be perceived as an attack and set the hackles up.

I think this misunderstands dave.

He's like my oldest. He runs an anarchy flag up the standard and has two middle fingers in the air. If the position is popular, he's in opposition.

There's a Billy Joel song called "Angry Young Man" that more or less tells the story.

 

[Xizor]

I think this misunderstands dave.

He's like my oldest. He runs an anarchy flag up the standard and has two middle fingers in the air. If the position is popular, he's in opposition.

There's a Billy Joel song called "Angry Young Man" that more or less tells the story.

Maybe, but if that were the case then wouldn't Dave be lining up to support Israel's attacks on Gaza? Based on my consumption of the news, support for the Palestinians seems to be the popular position (with people if not their Governments) and so he'd be in opposition to that?

I think a better reading is that Dave is an old-school Socialist of the Left, and that there are unfortunate historical links between that political position and 'certain' views towards the Jewish which are easy for provacateurs to leverage in today's online environment in the cause of stirring up factionalism.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Maybe, but if that were the case then wouldn't Dave be lining up to support Israel's attacks on Gaza? Based on my consumption of the news, support for the Palestinians seems to be the popular position (with people if not their Governments) and so he'd be in opposition to that?

I think a better reading is that Dave is an old-school Socialist of the Left, and that there are unfortunate historical links between that political position and 'certain' views towards the Jewish which are easy for provacateurs to leverage in today's online environment in the cause of stirring up factionalism.

Palestine has been unpopular for so long that I think this is why he lines up where he does on that one.

He can't flip-flop now, and he probably draws some validation from the present media stance. He was right all along, or so he thinks.

Dave likes stirring pots, and the fact that he has the #1 overall reaction score on the site should tell you something about the flaws in how we keep score.

 

[COYBL25]

I see you're engaging in the most basic form of evasion when in an untenable debate position: a ridiculous claim that you can't understand the criticism. This is absolutely pathetic cowardice from you here again, since you've been well and truly caught out and are stuck in a weird position where you can't let anyone else have the last word but haven't actually got anything worth replying with, since what you're posting is largely indefensible hypocrisy.

So to sum up in words for people apparently at a 'Janet and John' reading level:

You claim that "nobody is saying Ukraine won't still exist", except that's not what I said either, because a Russia-conquered Ukraine isn't going to be independent or sovereign, which was my point (that you were too craven to address and so misrepresented). A Ukraine that accepts a 'negotiated settlement' will have conditions imposed on it... for one prime example, they won't be allowed to pursue EU or NATO membership (not that the installed Moscow puppet regime will have any interest in that).

Furthermore Zelenskiy being corrupt, or the puppet of corrupt oligarchs, is irrelevant to whether Ukraine has the right to remain an independent, free sovereign nation. You keep hammering this point over and over, but any criticism of Putin is met by you with: "I don't support Putin". So Zelenskiy is fair game, but Putin? Beyond criticism as irrelevant.

Got that now, or do you need me to find you some animal pictures to help it sink in?

Typing that out, I've been wondering just why you've got this bee in your bonnet over Zelenskiy, why you're compelled to post these daily rage-fueled diatribes against him personally. What is it about Zelenskiy, who is of course Jewish, drives you to this repeated criticism of his financial corruption over literally anything else about the man (to be fair, you've criticised his wardrobe too). The answer is both obvious and disappointing. Really shouldn't be room for it in this day and age. I don't have a lot of time for the sort of creature you've revealed yourself to be in this thread and others so I think we'll be popping you on ignore from now on to rant away in peace.

I can sum it up for you, he`s an anti - Semite and a bigot.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I can sum it up for you, he`s an anti - Semite and a bigot.

He's a very naughty boy.

 

[Yarrgh]

I can sum it up for you, he`s an anti - Semite and a bigot.

I don't think he is either. He's a contrarian for sure!

I am not sure about his Zelensky hate-in. Zelensky was/is more than likely not the man for the job as president, let alone president of his country under invasion but he's in the job now and I believe doing the best to the fullest extent of his abilities.

Zelensky was mostly voted in as the conventional political choices were a right bunch of ratbag that a non-despised comedian with a well funded campaign had a great chance of getting voted in. History will eventually decide on if he was a success, and I don't think that will be a clear cut decision either.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I don't think he is either. He's a contrarian for sure!

I am not sure about his Zelensky hate-in. Zelensky was/is more than likely not the man for the job as president, let alone president of his country under invasion but he's in the job now and I believe doing the best to the fullest extent of his abilities.

Zelensky was mostly voted in as the conventional political choices were a right bunch of ratbag that a non-despised comedian with a well funded campaign had a great chance of getting voted in. History will eventually decide on if he was a success, and I don't think that will be a clear cut decision either.

I would say he gets full marks for caring, which is rare in a politician.

 

[davek]

This the Ukraine thread not the Dave thread.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

This the Ukraine thread not the Dave thread.

Ohhhh, but it is. Every thread is about Dave, in the end.

 

[Martin Alvito]

This the Ukraine thread not the Dave thread.

That is an incredibly interesting response that speaks volumes about both your ability to generate reactions and my broader point. I respect your ability to put something into a nutshell that leaves things both as subtext and open to interpretation. I don't operate like that. It's not clear to me which of us is 'winning' on any level, whether that's attention, approval or final judgment, if such thing exists.

Let's be clear. I don't think there is anything wrong with what you do. I think you, and those like you, serve a useful function in democratic society. I also think that you, and those like you, have an outsized presence in social debate because of how we keep score.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

This the Ukraine thread not the Dave thread.

Be honest Dave, you are trying to own the thread as a young lad might a natterjack toad.

 

[ramacca]