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[davek]

You've intentionally misrepresented my post so you can argue against one point you've just made up yourself. Good thing you apparently know what a straw man is, stops me having to explain how you've created one yourself.

You've also just glossed over everything else, presumably because being called out over your rampant hypocrisy is something you want to move on from quickly.

This is word spaghetti.

 

[Rita_Poon]

word salad spaghetti pudding T-minus........

 

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[Martin Alvito]

I agree with Ann Wagner about something? Been a bit.

 

[ramacca]

Donetsk city has had to suffer this constantly since the start of the 2014 civil war.

 

[Xizor]

This is word spaghetti.

I see you're engaging in the most basic form of evasion when in an untenable debate position: a ridiculous claim that you can't understand the criticism. This is absolutely pathetic cowardice from you here again, since you've been well and truly caught out and are stuck in a weird position where you can't let anyone else have the last word but haven't actually got anything worth replying with, since what you're posting is largely indefensible hypocrisy.

So to sum up in words for people apparently at a 'Janet and John' reading level:

You claim that "nobody is saying Ukraine won't still exist", except that's not what I said either, because a Russia-conquered Ukraine isn't going to be independent or sovereign, which was my point (that you were too craven to address and so misrepresented). A Ukraine that accepts a 'negotiated settlement' will have conditions imposed on it... for one prime example, they won't be allowed to pursue EU or NATO membership (not that the installed Moscow puppet regime will have any interest in that).

Furthermore Zelenskiy being corrupt, or the puppet of corrupt oligarchs, is irrelevant to whether Ukraine has the right to remain an independent, free sovereign nation. You keep hammering this point over and over, but any criticism of Putin is met by you with: "I don't support Putin". So Zelenskiy is fair game, but Putin? Beyond criticism as irrelevant.

Got that now, or do you need me to find you some animal pictures to help it sink in?

Typing that out, I've been wondering just why you've got this bee in your bonnet over Zelenskiy, why you're compelled to post these daily rage-fueled diatribes against him personally. What is it about Zelenskiy, who is of course Jewish, drives you to this repeated criticism of his financial corruption over literally anything else about the man (to be fair, you've criticised his wardrobe too). The answer is both obvious and disappointing. Really shouldn't be room for it in this day and age. I don't have a lot of time for the sort of creature you've revealed yourself to be in this thread and others so I think we'll be popping you on ignore from now on to rant away in peace.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I see you're engaging in the most basic form of evasion when in an untenable debate position: a ridiculous claim that you can't understand the criticism. This is absolutely pathetic cowardice from you here again, since you've been well and truly caught out and are stuck in a weird position where you can't let anyone else have the last word but haven't actually got anything worth replying with, since what you're posting is largely indefensible hypocrisy.

So to sum up in words for people apparently at a 'Janet and John' reading level:

You claim that "nobody is saying Ukraine won't still exist", except that's not what I said either, because a Russia-conquered Ukraine isn't going to be independent or sovereign, which was my point (that you were too craven to address and so misrepresented). A Ukraine that accepts a 'negotiated settlement' will have conditions imposed on it... for one prime example, they won't be allowed to pursue EU or NATO membership (not that the installed Moscow puppet regime will have any interest in that).

Furthermore Zelenskiy being corrupt, or the puppet of corrupt oligarchs, is irrelevant to whether Ukraine has the right to remain an independent, free sovereign nation. You keep hammering this point over and over, but any criticism of Putin is met by you with: "I don't support Putin". So Zelenskiy is fair game, but Putin? Beyond criticism as irrelevant.

Got that now, or do you need me to find you some animal pictures to help it sink in?

Typing that out, I've been wondering just why you've got this bee in your bonnet over Zelenskiy, why you're compelled to post these daily rage-fueled diatribes against him personally. What is it about Zelenskiy, who is of course Jewish, drives you to this repeated criticism of his financial corruption over literally anything else about the man (to be fair, you've criticised his wardrobe too). The answer is both obvious and disappointing. Really shouldn't be room for it in this day and age. I don't have a lot of time for the sort of creature you've revealed yourself to be in this thread and others so I think we'll be popping you on ignore from now on to rant away in peace.

Nailed it.

 

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[davek]

I see you're engaging in the most basic form of evasion when in an untenable debate position: a ridiculous claim that you can't understand the criticism. This is absolutely pathetic cowardice from you here again, since you've been well and truly caught out and are stuck in a weird position where you can't let anyone else have the last word but haven't actually got anything worth replying with, since what you're posting is largely indefensible hypocrisy.

So to sum up in words for people apparently at a 'Janet and John' reading level:

You claim that "nobody is saying Ukraine won't still exist", except that's not what I said either, because a Russia-conquered Ukraine isn't going to be independent or sovereign, which was my point (that you were too craven to address and so misrepresented). A Ukraine that accepts a 'negotiated settlement' will have conditions imposed on it... for one prime example, they won't be allowed to pursue EU or NATO membership (not that the installed Moscow puppet regime will have any interest in that).

Furthermore Zelenskiy being corrupt, or the puppet of corrupt oligarchs, is irrelevant to whether Ukraine has the right to remain an independent, free sovereign nation. You keep hammering this point over and over, but any criticism of Putin is met by you with: "I don't support Putin". So Zelenskiy is fair game, but Putin? Beyond criticism as irrelevant.

Got that now, or do you need me to find you some animal pictures to help it sink in?

Typing that out, I've been wondering just why you've got this bee in your bonnet over Zelenskiy, why you're compelled to post these daily rage-fueled diatribes against him personally. What is it about Zelenskiy, who is of course Jewish, drives you to this repeated criticism of his financial corruption over literally anything else about the man (to be fair, you've criticised his wardrobe too). The answer is both obvious and disappointing. Really shouldn't be room for it in this day and age. I don't have a lot of time for the sort of creature you've revealed yourself to be in this thread and others so I think we'll be popping you on ignore from now on to rant away in peace.

 

[ramacca]

The war between the two mobs is underway.

 

[davek]

The war between the two mobs is underway.

I know that Zaluzhny spoke out of turn on the 'stalemate' and he's thereby crossed swords with the Zelensky regime. But does the massacre of those troops on parade for into this?

Targeting Zaluzhny is a massive story in this war. It could be the starting gun on a civil war that's inevitable IMO.

 

[davek]

The war between the two mobs is underway.

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[Spadge Vernacular]

You could not have confirmed his points better than you have with this. Well done you.