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[davek]

Some insight into Russian disinformation campaigns.

Russia's “Firehose of Falsehood” Propaganda Model

Russia's propaganda model is high-volume and multichannel, and it disseminates messages without regard for the truth. It is rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it does not commit to consistency.

www.rand.org

Doppelganger - Media clones serving Russian propaganda - EU DisinfoLab

How Doppelganger, an operation linked to Russian-based actors, cloned legitimate media outlets from multiple European countries to spread disinformation designed to undermine the support to Ukraine.

www.disinfo.eu

Information manipulation in Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine: EU lists seven individuals and five entities

The Council imposed restrictive measures against seven Russian individuals and five entities responsible for a digital information manipulation campaign aimed at distorting information and disseminating propaganda in support of Russia’s war against Ukraine.

www.consilium.europa.eu

[MàJ - 19/06/2023] RRN : une campagne numérique de manipulation de l’information complexe et persistante | SGDSN

Le service de vigilance et de protection contre les ingérences numériques étrangères (VIGINUM) a identifié une campagne numérique de manipulation de l’information ayant visé plusieurs États européens depuis septembre 2022, dont la France.

www.sgdsn.gouv.fr

Thanks to AI, the Wagner mutiny will only briefly hamper Russian disinformation

Although the turbulence within Russia could limit its disinformation activities temporarily, we should consider it a reprieve rather than a victory.

thehill.com

Has the Economist been hacked?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that western efforts to “restrain” China’s ascent as a global power were doomed to fail as he hailed Moscow’s “amazing” relations with Beijing.

The Russian president said cooperation between Russia and China in the areas of security and defence were also booming, Reuters reports.

Speaking at an economic forum in Russia’s far eastern city of Vladivostok, Putin said:

Today the west is trying to restrain the development of China because it sees that China, under the leadership of our friend (president Xi Jinping) …, is developing by leaps and bounds. This leaves them shocked.
They are doing everything to slow down the development of China but this will not be possible, they are too late. That’s it, the train has left.

 

[Amw79]

lollollol

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Which of the 4 actual quotes in that paragraph do you have a problem with?

“behaved well”, “very grateful”, “good story” or “drive these people into a corner”

I’m assuming it’s the last one, but that quote wasn’t in the podcast (I don’t think). That paragraph in the article reads pretty terribly, but the actual quotes feel a bit disconnected from the actual content of the paragraph. Seemed strange so wanted to hear the context and the question he was actually asked, but it wasn’t there in the podcast that the article is based on.

 

[davek]

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Which of the 4 actual quotes in that paragraph do you have a problem with?

“behaved well”, “very grateful”, “good story” or “drive these people into a corner”

I’m assuming it’s the last one, but that quote wasn’t in the podcast (I don’t think). That paragraph in the article reads pretty terribly, but the actual quotes feel a bit disconnected from the actual content of the paragraph. Seemed strange so wanted to hear the context and the question he was actually asked, but it wasn’t there in the podcast that the article is based on.

I'm laughing because I wonder what there is to be gained from doubting an ultra-Ukrainian supporting journal like the Economist. If those quotes were taken from RT I'd understand the scepticism.

 

[Amw79]

I'm laughing because I wonder what there is to be gained from doubting an ultra-Ukrainian supporting journal like the Economist. If those quotes were taken from RT I'd understand the scepticism.

It’s not even scepticism really, but the quotes given just didn’t line up to the point that paragraph was making, so thought I’d get more context, but couldn’t find it.

It seems an unlikely thing for the economist to misrepresent, so much more likely that it’s just a poorly quoted piece of journalism. But am now very interested to hear the actual context of the interview that led to that paragraph, as the quotes don’t back up the copy.

 

[Kev The Rat]

So far the conflict in Ukraine has been a rules based affair with both sides staying within the rules most of the time. Russia operates under the rule that their country is not at war with countries that provide weapons to Ukraine, but with a condition. If said weapons are used in an attack on Russia, then the country furnishing the weapons is guilty of attacking Russia, and thus at war with Russia. The big deal with the ATACMs is that they are a long range missile, thus tempting the Ukrainians to use them against Russian territory.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Putin is now facing a harsh reality. The archetypal schoolyard bully who the West left to do as he pleased making him believe that he was untouchable and that the west were afraid to react. His new reality is that he has pulled Russia into an unwinable war and has blown their economy in one stupid swoop. Here he is trying to convince the world that Russia is the place to invest - he needs to recoup all that lost FDI.



All this whilst Putin's best buddy Xi is offering better prices for oil to Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Myanmar, graph below. With friends like that... Xi has had Putins pants off and it is only going to get worse for Russia. China's ambition is not to be seen as Putin's mate, though he is probably realising that now.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that western efforts to “restrain” China’s ascent as a global power were doomed to fail as he hailed Moscow’s “amazing” relations with Beijing.

The Russian president said cooperation between Russia and China in the areas of security and defence were also booming, Reuters reports.

Speaking at an economic forum in Russia’s far eastern city of Vladivostok, Putin said:

putin said it, must be true

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

So far the conflict in Ukraine has been a rules based affair with both sides staying within the rules most of the time. Russia operates under the rule that their country is not at war with countries that provide weapons to Ukraine, but with a condition. If said weapons are used in an attack on Russia, then the country furnishing the weapons is guilty of attacking Russia, and thus at war with Russia. The big deal with the ATACMs is that they are a long range missile, thus tempting the Ukrainians to use them against Russian territory.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates the UN Charter and cannot be justified under international law as an act of self-defense or humanitarian intervention. Current political and economic issues succinctly explained.

How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Violates International Law

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine violates the UN Charter and cannot be justified under international law as an act of self-defense or humanitarian intervention.

www.cfr.org

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Putin is now facing a harsh reality. The archetypal schoolyard bully who the West left to do as he pleased making him believe that he was untouchable and that the west were afraid to react. His new reality is that he has pulled Russia into an unwinable war and has blown their economy in one stupid swoop. Here he is trying to convince the world that Russia is the place to invest - he needs to recoup all that lost FDI.



All this whilst Putin's best buddy Xi is offering better prices for oil to Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Myanmar, graph below. With friends like that... Xi has had Putins pants off and it is only going to get worse for Russia. China's ambition is not to be seen as Putin's mate, though he is probably realising that now.

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He actually suggested tourism as a viable investment in Russia ffs

 

[davek]

It’s not even scepticism really, but the quotes given just didn’t line up to the point that paragraph was making, so thought I’d get more context, but couldn’t find it.

It seems an unlikely thing for the economist to misrepresent, so much more likely that it’s just a poorly quoted piece of journalism. But am now very interested to hear the actual context of the interview that led to that paragraph, as the quotes don’t back up the copy.

I find it hard to believe the Economist of all publications will be qouting Zelensky out of context to the extent it makes what he said completely different in content or tone.

I mean the obvious thing to state here is that criticising Zelensky is not the same as criticising the Ukrainian effort in this war.

Zelensky really is a dclown and he should be called out for it by more people who wish to see a Ukrainian victory. He's a populist not a politician, and he's dodgy as hell. Corruption allegations will follow for this feller, you can bank on that.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

So far the conflict in Ukraine has been a rules based affair with both sides staying within the rules most of the time. Russia operates under the rule that their country is not at war with countries that provide weapons to Ukraine, but with a condition. If said weapons are used in an attack on Russia, then the country furnishing the weapons is guilty of attacking Russia, and thus at war with Russia. The big deal with the ATACMs is that they are a long range missile, thus tempting the Ukrainians to use them against Russian territory.

You’re genuinely suggesting putin plays by the rules?

Flabbergasted

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I find it hard to believe the Economist of all publications will be qouting Zelensky out of context to the extent it makes what he said completely different in content or tone.

I mean the obvious thing to state here is that criticising Zelensky is not the same as criticising the Ukrainian effort in this war.

Zelensky really is a dclown and he should be called out for it by more people who wish to see a Ukrainian victory. He's a populist not a politician, and he's dodgy as hell. Corruption allegations will follow for this feller, you can bank on that.

Corruption is standard though, invasion and mass murder on the other hand

 

[Lobster Johnson]

So far the conflict in Ukraine has been a rules based affair with both sides staying within the rules most of the time. Russia operates under the rule that their country is not at war with countries that provide weapons to Ukraine, but with a condition. If said weapons are used in an attack on Russia, then the country furnishing the weapons is guilty of attacking Russia, and thus at war with Russia. The big deal with the ATACMs is that they are a long range missile, thus tempting the Ukrainians to use them against Russian territory.

The guidance systems provided are programmed so as not to be able to fire on Russia.

 

[Tipp blue]

So far the conflict in Ukraine has been a rules based affair with both sides staying within the rules most of the time. Russia operates under the rule that their country is not at war with countries that provide weapons to Ukraine, but with a condition. If said weapons are used in an attack on Russia, then the country furnishing the weapons is guilty of attacking Russia, and thus at war with Russia. The big deal with the ATACMs is that they are a long range missile, thus tempting the Ukrainians to use them against Russian territory.

Absolute dog . There has been torcher from both sides.. there has been deliberate targeting of civilians, reports of rape, executions and kidnapped children. It's a mess from both sides but Russia are doing far worse things.