Current Affairs Ukraine

[roydo]

If it was that straightforward they’d have done it already. I stand by my statement that nato doesn’t have the numbers. Or the will.

Not sure you know what NATO is actually for.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Not sure you know what NATO is actually for.

You tell me.

Personally I remember Serbia in 1999 and also other places.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

There aren’t the number of forces - anywhere. Which European nations soldiers are going get out of bed for Ukraine? The French ? The Germans? I don’t think so.

We barely have 70k personnel in total in the army while the Russians raised 300k in 3 weeks

The NATO response force currently consists of approx 50K

This force consists of land, air, naval and spec ops assets. It is by nature a multi-national rapid deployment force under a single command structure (SACEUR).

This force is highly capable and trains constantly - in the event of a full scale war with Russia they would be able to deploy completely in 5-10days. Obviously NATO can then draw on the military resources of each member state to feed into theatre as it sees fit.

Given the current state of the Russian army the NRF would wipe the floor with Putin’s scruffs without the need for further backup.

300K Raw conscripts, press-ganged Cubans and fat knackered criminals. Against a highly trained, professional force they’d get a right kicking.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

If it was that straightforward they’d have done it already. I stand by my statement that nato doesn’t have the numbers. Or the will.

NATO had no interest in invading Russia. That has been acknowledged by Russia since the Wagner incident. Putins and his generals lust for Ukraine resources is the factor that will see NATO expand to every European border, as countries such as Finland, Sweden and Ukraine understand why NATO was created i.e. to counter Russian imperialistic and colonial ambitions. I know that you are on a wind up but this is how it is.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The NATO response force currently consists of approx 50K

This force consists of land, air, naval and spec ops assets. It is by nature a multi-national rapid deployment force under a single command structure (SACEUR).

This force is highly capable and trains constantly - in the event of a full scale war with Russia they would be able to deploy completely in 5-10days. Obviously NATO can then draw on the military resources of each member state to feed into theatre as it sees fit.

Given the current state of the Russian army the NRF would wipe the floor with Putin’s scruffs without the need for further backup.

300K Raw conscripts, press-ganged Cubans and fat knackered criminals. Against a highly trained, professional force they’d get a right kicking.

Shame we will never find out.

 

[Kev The Rat]

NATO had no interest in invading Russia. That has been acknowledged by Russia since the Wagner incident. Putins and his generals lust for Ukraine resources is the factor that will see NATO expand to every European border, as countries such as Finland, Sweden and Ukraine understand why NATO was created i.e. to counter Russian imperialistic and colonial ambitions. I know that you are on a wind up but this is how it is.

Not necessarily invading Russia but certainly challenging them directly in or over Ukraine

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Not necessarily invading Russia but certainly challenging them directly in or over Ukraine

Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia beyond Russia's colonial ambitions.

Ukrainians have every right to choose their future, be that in the EU, NATO are whatever.

Once Russia are kicked out of Ukraine there will be a push to fast track them into both.

The question for Russians beyond this is whether they wish to live under a brutal dictatorial regime or to fight for democracy - and for the outlying federation states, independence.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia beyond Russia's colonial ambitions.

Ukrainians have every right to choose their future, be that in the EU, NATO are whatever.

Once Russia are kicked out of Ukraine there will be a push to fast track them into both.

The question for Russians beyond this is whether they wish to live under a brutal dictatorial regime or to fight for democracy - and for the outlying federation states, independence.

I’ve no idea why you’ve avoided the topic of why won’t nato intervene in Ukraine when it has done so in plenty of other disputes including the use of carpet bombing

 

[davek]

Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia beyond Russia's colonial ambitions.

Ukrainians have every right to choose their future, be that in the EU, NATO are whatever.

Once Russia are kicked out of Ukraine there will be a push to fast track them into both.

The question for Russians beyond this is whether they wish to live under a brutal dictatorial regime or to fight for democracy - and for the outlying federation states, independence.

Maybe they should have been handed that chance by the West before they installed a market-friendly kleptocracy into power.

Then some people wonder why the Russians dont buy into the theory that getting rid of Putin's regime - which brought about a certain stability in that state through national chauvinism - to replace them with more western stooges would be the answer.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia beyond Russia's colonial ambitions.

Ukrainians have every right to choose their future, be that in the EU, NATO are whatever.

Once Russia are kicked out of Ukraine there will be a push to fast track them into both.

The question for Russians beyond this is whether they wish to live under a brutal dictatorial regime or to fight for democracy - and for the outlying federation states, independence.

I’ve no idea why you’ve avoided the topic of why won’t nato intervene in Ukraine when it has done so in plenty of other disputes including carpet bombing

It’s such an overwhelming force apparently and anyway Putin would be too scared to nuke anyone, right?

 

[Kev The Rat]

Maybe they should have been handed that chance by the West before they installed a market-friendly kleptocracy into power.

Then some people wonder why the Russians dont buy into the theory that getting rid of Putin's regime - which brought about a certain stability in that state through national chauvinism - to replace them with more western stooges would be the answer.

80% approval rating for him in Russia.

Rubbish like Macron, Sunak would be delighted with 30%

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I’ve no idea why you’ve avoided the topic of why won’t nato intervene in Ukraine when it has done so in plenty of other disputes including the use of carpet bombing

Without NATO support Ukraine would be in a terrible position.

This is obvious but yappa, yappa, yappa

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

80% approval rating for him in Russia.

Rubbish like Macron, Sunak would be delighted with 30%

And nearer 90% approval in occupied Ukraine, which is quite a thing given all the murder rape and kidnap.

In other news it has been reported that putin won the Russian election in 2024 by almost 90%. Long live Vlad.

 

[larrygobfiend]

80% approval rating for him in Russia.

Rubbish like Macron, Sunak would be delighted with 30%

Anybody who criticises him will end up eating rat and mouldy beetroot in a Siberian gulag.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

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