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So no, don't give up Ukrainian territory, don't stop supplying them, but at least use the combined power of NATO to get to the table with Putin...
How, though? The reality of the situation is that Russia - sorry, Putin - can't afford to be seen as weak, either military or politically, both at home and abroad.

In terms of domestically, his power base is built on a combination of his image and repressive social mechanisms. Many like him; many others are scared of him.

To come to the compromise that Ukraine find palatable would potentially undermine all of the above because the 'mighty' Russian army would have failed.

From there, would you be surprised to see regional conflicts continuing to stir, as Russia's power within its previous sphere of influence would be undermined?

We could talk about it in a lot more detail, but let's look at the Ukrainian perspective. Like I said, Zelenskyy couldn't afford to make compromises that'd suit Russia.

Nor would he want to. Ukraine has not been the aggressor: it's their country being decimated; their population being raped, pillaged and murdered.

To make a compromise now, that suits Russia, would leave Ukrainian soil and people under Russian control, and we've seen how that turns out.

Also, it would possibly embolden Russia to finish the job in the future. There will be discussions taking place; there will be political manoeuvring towards an end.

But right now, I can only see one way in which NATO can use its combined power to bring Putin to the table, and that's continuing to bludgeon his armies.

Eventually, they (and Ukraine) will have to come to the table. The sad part of this is that people will suffer and die in the meantime.
 
I just think your view of the world is very, very western and very 'we're the good guys, they're all the bad guys'.

The UK have sold weaponary to Saudi Arabia for years, the US funded the Taliban to fight the Russians in the 90s and the IS for the Arab Spring in the early 2010s. The West is now fighting Russia via Ukrainians, because yes, Putin invaded and fighting back is the right thing to do, but of course only when it falls short of all out war where we'd have to get our own hands dirty. Same goes for Syria, where of course Russia backed Al-Asaad at Al-Asaad's request, after IS (funded by the US) rebelled. I'm not suggesting Al-Asaad is anything but a despicable person, btw, but so much of that upheaval in the area was caused by the West, and of course that then turns into a scrap between Russia and the West.

Of course, the regime in Iran needs to be overthrown, and I hope the Iranian people rise up. The regimes of UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, all sicken me. But the West have helped give those people power and wealth.

I think how the Chinese government act is awful, but the West give them that leeway because of how reliant we are on China. Same goes in large part for Russia and the energy, at least until this year (and as far as I'm aware, Russia still get plenty of money from western nations even now for those resources).

So the whole thing has to change across the board, everywhere, or things will get worse and worse.
I think your view of the world is limited at best.

Playing vatnik bingo isn't going to stop Ukrainian women and children being raped and murdered in their homes. Saying 'but' and trying to deflect from what Russia is doing is most certainly not going to help the situation or the future.

Iran is a despicable regime who persecute their own. There'll be parties in the streets when the mullahs and their morality police are cast into the bin.

Saying party A did this in the past so that excuses the crimes of party B in the present in this context is frankly stupid. If you don't want to come across as excusing party B then may I suggest dropping the whataboutery.

Agreed that the world desperately needs change.
 
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How, though? The reality of the situation is that Russia - sorry, Putin - can't afford to be seen as weak, either military or politically, both at home and abroad.

In terms of domestically, his power base is built on a combination of his image and repressive social mechanisms. Many like him; many others are scared of him.

To come to the compromise that Ukraine find palatable would potentially undermine all of the above because the 'mighty' Russian army would have failed.

From there, would you be surprised to see regional conflicts continuing to stir, as Russia's power within its previous sphere of influence would be undermined?

We could talk about it in a lot more detail, but let's look at the Ukrainian perspective. Like I said, Zelenskyy couldn't afford to make compromises that'd suit Russia.

Nor would he want to. Ukraine has not been the aggressor: it's their country being decimated; their population being raped, pillaged and murdered.

To make a compromise now, that suits Russia, would leave Ukrainian soil and people under Russian control, and we've seen how that turns out.

Also, it would possibly embolden Russia to finish the job in the future. There will be discussions taking place; there will be political manoeuvring towards an end.

But right now, I can only see one way in which NATO can use its combined power to bring Putin to the table, and that's continuing to bludgeon his armies.

Eventually, they (and Ukraine) will have to come to the table. The sad part of this is that people will suffer and die in the meantime.
All of which leaves Putin as the immovable block to any resolution.

It appears that there is no outcome acceptable to Ukraine, that allows him to save face.

Putin has to heroically fall ot of a window, retire to spend more time with the family, drink some special Kremlin tea, or catch a rare neurological condition off his door handle.

Hopefully, those in a position to influence such an outcome are working on their preferred option.
 
How, though? The reality of the situation is that Russia - sorry, Putin - can't afford to be seen as weak, either military or politically, both at home and abroad.

In terms of domestically, his power base is built on a combination of his image and repressive social mechanisms. Many like him; many others are scared of him.

To come to the compromise that Ukraine find palatable would potentially undermine all of the above because the 'mighty' Russian army would have failed.

From there, would you be surprised to see regional conflicts continuing to stir, as Russia's power within its previous sphere of influence would be undermined?

We could talk about it in a lot more detail, but let's look at the Ukrainian perspective. Like I said, Zelenskyy couldn't afford to make compromises that'd suit Russia.

Nor would he want to. Ukraine has not been the aggressor: it's their country being decimated; their population being raped, pillaged and murdered.

To make a compromise now, that suits Russia, would leave Ukrainian soil and people under Russian control, and we've seen how that turns out.

Also, it would possibly embolden Russia to finish the job in the future. There will be discussions taking place; there will be political manoeuvring towards an end.

But right now, I can only see one way in which NATO can use its combined power to bring Putin to the table, and that's continuing to bludgeon his armies.

Eventually, they (and Ukraine) will have to come to the table. The sad part of this is that people will suffer and die in the meantime.
There has to be a way.

Perhaps the compromise shouldn't be anything with Ukraine, but maybe the sanctions (some of them) placed on Russia could be used as a bargaining chip?

I don't know, but just saying 'yeah let's send £100,000s more weapons there' is only extending the conflict too.
 
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