Current Affairs Ukraine

[PhilM]

I profoundly disagree with those sorts of things (removals); they are the same shabby nationalist gestures that have caused so much of this misery.

Estonia has done likewise. It feels somewhat knee jerk and nationalistic, but for many natives soviet memorials depict occupation.

As a result, it’s often difficult to say what’s right and wrong.

 

[tsubaki]

Estonia has done likewise. It feels somewhat knee jerk and nationalistic, but for many natives soviet memorials depict occupation.

As a result, it’s often difficult to say what’s right and wrong.

I disagree, I think these removals are profoundly wrong.

With all memorials and statuary there is always a debate to be had about appropriateness, historicity and so on but the context of these removals is solely about the gesture in light of short-term politics. Doing this adds nothing positive, for anyone involved.

 

[Yarrgh]

Interesting summary/analysis of the Russian military and how it has conducted military operations in Ukraine..

https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html

An interesting take. I honestly don't think we'll appreciate what was planned and what was cock up by the Russian military until many a year has passed if ever.

The loss of so many senior officers on and off the battle field would imply the latter happened all too often. 22% of Ukraine is now under Russian control according to the Guardian so they're not that incompetent.

I have been searching for when Russian forces plan to disconnect the power plant from Zaporizhzhia but cannot find anything as I believe that this is key. Once it's gone, there'll be a huge depletion of energy to Ukraine and a massive deficit of supply. A big issue rapidly coming to a head.

Other key things to my mind are what will happen with the Azov battalion if tried; We know they'll be found guilty and are looking at the firing squad and what will that do to Ukrainian morale? Also the assassination of Dugin's daughter is going to have consequences and who knows what they will be.

Also the rapid improvement in Ukrainian Special Forces is an eye raiser. Is this highly intensive highly mission focused training for particular targets? Is it a small or large force? It's been highly effective and can it operate like that indefinitely?

 

[maccavennie]

Seems to have been a missile attack on a train station in Southern Ukraine

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Seems to have been a missile attack on a train station in Southern Ukraine

At least 22 dead many more wounded

 

[lorens]

Seems to have been a missile attack on a train station in Southern Ukraine

22 dead and 50+ injured already
direct hit on a passenger сivil train
another act of terrorism


they will write that they destroyed a large batch of foreign weapons in their reports next morning

 

[lorens]

sorry I was a liitle bit wrong about my prediction

The Ministry of Lies and Murder in Russia reported that 200 Ukrainian military soldiers were killed at this railway station

 

[peteblue]

sorry I was a liitle bit wrong about my prediction

The Ministry of Lies and Murder in Russia reported that 200 Ukrainian military soldiers were killed at this railway station

And it was carrying arms. Yes it was Russia…they were attached to the poor souls you killed…..

 

[davids]

An interesting take. I honestly don't think we'll appreciate what was planned and what was cock up by the Russian military until many a year has passed if ever.

The loss of so many senior officers on and off the battle field would imply the latter happened all too often. 22% of Ukraine is now under Russian control according to the Guardian so they're not that incompetent.

I have been searching for when Russian forces plan to disconnect the power plant from Zaporizhzhia but cannot find anything as I believe that this is key. Once it's gone, there'll be a huge depletion of energy to Ukraine and a massive deficit of supply. A big issue rapidly coming to a head.

Other key things to my mind are what will happen with the Azov battalion if tried; We know they'll be found guilty and are looking at the firing squad and what will that do to Ukrainian morale? Also the assassination of Dugin's daughter is going to have consequences and who knows what they will be.

Also the rapid improvement in Ukrainian Special Forces is an eye raiser. Is this highly intensive highly mission focused training for particular targets? Is it a small or large force? It's been highly effective and can it operate like that indefinitely?

Been disconnected apparently. Without any danger to the rest of Europe. Wonder if Russia will carry on shelling their own troops stationed there.

 

[davids]

And it was carrying arms. Yes it was Russia…they were attached to the poor souls you killed…..

Ukraine military use human shields again shocker. See Amnesty International report.

 

[Drico]

I profoundly disagree with those sorts of things (removals); they are the same shabby nationalist gestures that have caused so much of this misery.

Indeed. I have no time for the nihilistic regime in Moscow, but if we're all going to trash each other's legitimate memorial sites, well, nothing good comes of that.

Poland decided to raze a memorial to Soviets who fought the Nazis the other day. Then they got all upset when Belarus decided to desecrate a Polish memorial in Belarus the following day. I mean, what were they expecting?

 

[devogue]

 

[Yarrgh]

Been disconnected apparently. Without any danger to the rest of Europe. Wonder if Russia will carry on shelling their own troops stationed there.

Been reconnected. Back to what it was connected to originally.

I guess this was a trial run for taking it off the part of the grid not connected to unoccupied Ukraine.

Cynically I think that the origin of shelling close to the plant not being confirmed as being by either side means that it's probably the Ukrainian effort to stop this disconnection. As soon as it does a huge proportion (I read 22% of Ukrainian electricity production in the Guardian) of the Ukraine is lost. That would be more detrimental to the Ukrainian war effort than hundreds of missiles.

Who replaces that energy supply and at what price? To the west, they're already talking about rationing energy and increasing prices. The Russian government has weaponised energy to an insane degree.

My only take away is a confirmation that all countries need to have self sufficiency in essential services so they're not reliant on untrustworthy suppliers who will seek to use them for their advantage. Doesn't happen overnight and which nations are even going down that route?

 

[davids]

Been reconnected. Back to what it was connected to originally.

I guess this was a trial run for taking it off the part of the grid not connected to unoccupied Ukraine.

Cynically I think that the origin of shelling close to the plant not being confirmed as being by either side means that it's probably the Ukrainian effort to stop this disconnection. As soon as it does a huge proportion (I read 22% of Ukrainian electricity production in the Guardian) of the Ukraine is lost. That would be more detrimental to the Ukrainian war effort than hundreds of missiles.

Who replaces that energy supply and at what price? To the west, they're already talking about rationing energy and increasing prices. The Russian government has weaponised energy to an insane degree.

My only take away is a confirmation that all countries need to have self sufficiency in essential services so they're not reliant on untrustworthy suppliers who will seek to use them for their advantage. Doesn't happen overnight and which nations are even going down that route?

I think it'll be a long hard winter on the way sadly. Call me cynical,but the line the western media were pushing that Russia were shelling their own troops in there was an embarrassment.

 

[BigMick]

The propaganda war

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-is-winning-the-information-war-in-the-middle-east/a-62900269