Current Affairs Ukraine

[AndyC]

I have now at the school of my children. Didn't meet any soldiers though.
I was just lampooning @Mutzo Nutzo a little bit. I obviously didn't mean to call the Ukrainian people that.


A lot of bitterness between the Poles and Ukrainians too but that seems to be forgotten. For now.

Not really the thread for lampooning mate but, I’m sure @Mutzo Nutzo took it the right way.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Not really the thread for lampooning mate but, I’m sure @Mutzo Nutzo took it the right way.

Shocking behaviour

 

[PhilM]

A lot of chatter around atm about Russia potentially blowing the Nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzia.

If they do and radiation filters into a NATO country like Poland or Romania, could this be classed as a breach of article 5?

Surely Putin won’t go this far or will he?

What’s in those trucks?

The common wind directions around that part of the world would push it over the Black Sea, parts of Russia, Crimea, Turkey, Georgia and over the Middle East.

But that's irrelevant - I think it's just that: mindless chatter. The Russians would not blow up a nuclear power plant unless it was accidental.

In terms of the trucks, I'd surmise putting their vehicles inside buildings, inducing any available space, stops satellites or drones picking up numbers.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The common wind directions around that part of the world would push it over the Black Sea, parts of Russia, Crimea, Turkey, Georgia and over the Middle East.

But that's irrelevant - I think it's just that: mindless chatter. The Russians would not blow up a nuclear power plant unless it was accidental.

In terms of the trucks, I'd surmise putting their vehicles inside buildings, inducing any available space, stops satellites or drones picking up numbers.

If I recall correctly didn’t the Chernobyl incident affect pretty much the entire globe in a big central belt due to radiation being carried on the jetstream west to east. Couldn’t buy or eat Welsh lamb for ages.

I hope you’re right about it being just chatter. Blowing the cooling system of a NPP would be insanity.

 

[The binman chronicles]

The common wind directions around that part of the world would push it over the Black Sea, parts of Russia, Crimea, Turkey, Georgia and over the Middle East.

But that's irrelevant - I think it's just that: mindless chatter. The Russians would not blow up a nuclear power plant unless it was accidental.

In terms of the trucks, I'd surmise putting their vehicles inside buildings, inducing any available space, stops satellites or drones picking up numbers.

Purely it's the safest place for those vehicles, Ukraine aren't going to bomb the power plant.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Purely it's the safest place for those vehicles, Ukraine aren't going to bomb the power plant.

But why would Ukraine bomb or shell anywhere within the boundaries of their own Nuclear plant? (In fact why would anyone bomb a NPP)?

Doesn’t make sense. Why pack vehicles into a turbine room for one of the reactors? Also they’re not high value fighting or comms vehicles, just plain old trucks.

 

[PhilM]

If I recall correctly didn’t the Chernobyl incident affect pretty much the entire globe in a big central belt due to radiation being carried on the jetstream west to east. Couldn’t buy or eat Welsh lamb for ages.

I hope you’re right about it being just chatter. Blowing the cooling system of a NPP would be insanity.

Aye it did, but Chernobyl is in the north up near Belarus whereas Zaporizhzia is further east and south towards the Azov. Remember Ukraine is quite big.

The weather patterns are different, so a fair bit should head where I stated.

 

[The binman chronicles]

But why would Ukraine bomb or shell anywhere within the boundaries of their own Nuclear plant? (In fact why would anyone bomb a NPP)?

That's the point, they've tried human shields before but this is even safer for the Russians.

Doesn’t make sense. Why pack vehicles into a turbine room for one of the reactors? Also they’re not high value fighting or comms vehicles, just plain old trucks.

You need vehicles to move troops around, that could be offensive or defensive (retreat) so they are just as important in the grand scheme of things. If they left them out in the open they would be picked off by drones. I would hazard a guess that they'll be more vehicles and equipment hidden around the place including tanks/rocket launchers just a case of what they've packed in each building.

 

[PhilM]

But Russia wouldn't try to undermine the Baltic states would they...



Estonia could be viewed by some as the achilles' heel of NATO due to their large ethnic Russian population and some quite diverse political parties.

Political subterfuge and meddling with their economy could be a good line to try and call division within the country.

On another note...

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

But Russia wouldn't try to undermine the Baltic states would they...



Estonia could be viewed by some as the achilles' heel of NATO due to their large ethnic Russian population and some quite diverse political parties.

Political subterfuge and meddling with their economy could be a good line to try and call division within the country.

On another note...

Also noted tonight that Russian AD systems active by the Kerch bridge. Apparently Ukranian drones are conducting recon operations.

 

[PhilM]

Also noted tonight that Russian AD systems active by the Kerch bridge. Apparently Ukranian drones are conducting recon operations.

There's more reports emerging of more examples of random fires within Russian territory tonight, so it could be a busy night for them.

There may be a big blast near the bridge very soon.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

There's more reports emerging of more examples of random fires within Russian territory tonight, so it could be a busy night for them.

There may be a big blast near the bridge very soon.

Hopefully - been a long time coming. Ukraine definitely carrying the fight to them in the south.

 

[AndyC]

Aye it did, but Chernobyl is in the north up near Belarus whereas Zaporizhzia is further east and south towards the Azov. Remember Ukraine is quite big.

The weather patterns are different, so a fair bit should head where I stated.

Chernobyl might be further north but, the contamination affected the Dnieper River that flows through Kyiv and for approx two years afterwards, people were banned or strongly advised against paddling, swimming and fishing in the river.
And the streets of Kyiv were washed daily to prevent any airborne contamination setting on the busy streets.
I visited Kyiv twice in ‘89 and ‘90 and witnessed the street washing personally.

 

[PhilM]

Chernobyl might be further north but, the contamination affected the Dnieper River that flows through Kyiv and for approx two years afterwards, people were banned or strongly advised against paddling, swimming and fishing in the river.
And the streets of Kyiv were washed daily to prevent any airborne contamination setting on the busy streets.
I visited Kyiv twice in ‘89 and ‘90 and witnessed the street washing personally.

Any incident would contaminate large swathes of the Ukraine and some would travel west into Europe based on the weather patterns.

They circulate differently at different altitudes (around 8km to 9km up they circle towards the west), but there is current depression over the Ukraine.

With typical air currents and this, Russia would be covering large swathes of eastern Ukraine, Crimea, and southern Russian in fallout if an event were to occur.

What would the benefit of that be?

Hopefully - been a long time coming. Ukraine definitely carrying the fight to them in the south.

The hitting of air bases, logistic, ammunition dumps and rail and road infrastructure clearly benefits the overall war effort, but could it point to posturing for winter?

When the weather turns in October and November, there could be a lot of Russian troops isolated (stranded in some cases) with minimal logistic support.

Russia may keep pouring ill-trained troops into the fold, with little desire to fight, but the cold and lack of resources could slowly but surely do the damage.

 

[john jako]

Any incident would contaminate large swathes of the Ukraine and some would travel west into Europe based on the weather patterns.

They circulate differently at different altitudes (around 8km to 9km up they circle towards the west), but there is current depression over the Ukraine.

With typical air currents and this, Russia would be covering large swathes of eastern Ukraine, Crimea, and southern Russian in fallout if an event were to occur.

What would the benefit of that be?


The hitting of air bases, logistic, ammunition dumps and rail and road infrastructure clearly benefits the overall war effort, but could it point to posturing for winter?

When the weather turns in October and November, there could be a lot of Russian troops isolated (stranded in some cases) with minimal logistic support.

Russia may keep pouring ill-trained troops into the fold, with little desire to fight, but the cold and lack of resources could slowly but surely do the damage.

Sounds like it could be Afghanistan mk2 for russia in terms of the weather and logistical support in the winter. Not like them to not think it through lol