Current Affairs UK General Election July

[daza_1973]

So it's compulsory ask but voluntary action of the individual... Think you have to be Tory to get this logic.

A nation of 18 year old conchies is born then.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sure the private school kids might end up doing cyber security etc... placements.

From actually reading about the idea, only 30,000 will end up in any kind of military role. You make it sound like we'll be bussing working class kids to the Somme.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Czechia may need to bring back military service, says army chief

Czechia ended compulsory military service two decades ago. Now, however, the head of the country’s army, Karel Řehka, says it may be necessary to bring it back.

english.radio.cz

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

From actually reading about the idea, only 30,000 will end up in any kind of military role. You make it sound like we'll be bussing working class kids to the Somme.

Ok then, other European countries do it and see some benefit...

However, it's something that should be discussed over a few years with input from all parts of society and ideally with cross party support. There's lots to consider with such a scheme.

Not something that's just thrown out there to distract and shore up the Tory vote that's ran off to Reform.

It's a radical suggestion for us the UK and shouldn't be something that's just raised 3 days into a GE campaign.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ok then, other European countries do it and see some benefit...

However, it's something that should be discussed over a few years with input from all parts of society and ideally with cross party support. There's lots to consider with such a scheme.

Not something that's just thrown out there to distract and shore up the Tory vote that's ran off to Reform.

It's a radical suggestion for us the UK and shouldn't be something that's just raised 3 days into a GE campaign.

That I quite agree with.

 

[Rita_Poon]

From actually reading about the idea, only 30,000 will end up in any kind of military role. You make it sound like we'll be bussing working class kids to the Somme.

Why has no one joined the dots? Come on there's some clever people on here. We need front line troops to absorb the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune - and we've got overcrowded prisons, absconding offenders and a probation service that very much can't be arsed as it's trying to hold back the tide with a knackered sieve.

 

[sbbefc]

My understanding of the Estonian scheme is that it's attractive because it's not saying to young people you need to make a career in the military, but rather you can use the military to dip your toes in and gain what is hopefully valuable experience. You can then choose whether to stay on or deploy those skills elsewhere.

We have RAF and Army cadets for this?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Starmer's economic and foreign policies are practically identical to the Tories. He's been a Tory cheerleader at times, told his MP's to abstain on helping to feed children in poverty. The Tories even raised the Min Wage to higher than Starmer wanted and even fascists like Braverman thinks the 2 child cap on benefits should be lifted, unlike Starmer.

What's the difference between the Tories and this Labour party mate?

The reason the Tories have been in power is thanks to Starmer. He won't say whether he'd of preferred a Labour Government led by Corbyn or a Tory Government. Of course we know the answer to that as he helped sabotage the 2019 GE (he was probably involved in the 2017 sabotage as well) for his own career ambitions. In Scotland, Edinburgh region iirc, he refused to do a deal and allowed 2 Tory MP's to get in power.

I want a hung parliament with Labour having to form a Government with left wing parties and Independents to keep them in check. It will kill Starmer not being able to do it with the Tories.

It's people like the person your advocating that I vote for that is the reason the Tories been in power so long.

All that would be fine but we had a true left leaning Labour leader, a Tory party in disarray and still had 2 wins for the Conservatives. The voting majority (well, sorry I mean constituencies as drawn) do not want a traditional Labour party, history shows they will vote for a centre left one. Blaming it on saboteurs within the party is just finding an excuse, there are always dissenters within the group and it's up to the leader to find a pathway to win.

Didn't Starmer say he wouldn't put a change to the 2 child limit in an election manifesto but it would be reviewed afterwards? That to me seems sensible, you can't promise to change everything without understanding the full consequences, Labour's costs may not be the same as the number crunchers at Whitehall's. New Labour back in 97 agreed to commit to the same spending costs as the Tories in the first term to 1) get people to trust they won't spend huge amounts thus large tax rises and 2) provide a stability in transition so the markets didn't suddenly go into shock. That latter part is definitely applicable here, we are still in a sticky spot and need interest rates to go down, not up. Once Labour gain power then they can see what is budgeted already for policies they don't want to continue with and then put in place the ones they want. Gradually you'd hope they would then address the balance with those type policies.

What you can't do is come in, bite more than you can chew and then be a one and done government. You then give the Tories all the ammunition to say 'look what happens when you give then the keys' and you spend a generation looking in from the sidelines.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We have RAF and Army cadets for this?

Myself was working upto 60 hours a week when 18, being forced to give up my free time would not appeal to 18 me, pretty sure of it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We have RAF and Army cadets for this?

I don't know the ins and outs of these schemes, but one of the articles I shared earlier said that the armed forces had missed its recruitment targets for something like 15 years in a row. Something doesn't seem to be working.

 

[Amw79]

I don't know the ins and outs of these schemes, but one of the articles I shared earlier said that the armed forces had missed its recruitment targets for something like 15 years in a row. Something doesn't seem to be working.

Seem to remember reading that the recruitment process was so slow that many applicants gave up after waiting for so long for a placement. It’s been outsourced since 2011 to Capita. Seems there’s an easier solution to that problem than National Service.

Edit: since 2012

Damning figures for UK military recruitment with 54% giving up on the process last year

The British Army has reportedly become the worst performing branch due to poor recruitment numbers, according to a report.

www.forces.net

 

[JP5]

So old people are going to vote for kids to do national service.

After those kids have already given a couple of years of their lives protecting said old people during Covid.

 

[Ming the merciless]

Seem to remember reading that the recruitment process was so slow that many applicants gave up after waiting for so long for a placement. It’s been outsourced since 2011 to Capita. Seems there’s an easier solution to that problem than National Service.

Edit: since 2012

Damning figures for UK military recruitment with 54% giving up on the process last year

The British Army has reportedly become the worst performing branch due to poor recruitment numbers, according to a report.

www.forces.net

Armed Service recruitment has fallen off a cliff since the Tories privatised it. Just one more thing on the long list of things they’ve managed to wreck. The old Army Recruitment Centre where I live is a vape shop now.

 

[Harryflashman]

Farage interviewed by Trevor Phillips this morning , he is running head first into blatant Islamophobia and racism . Vile individual, directly said we can see these anti-British people at the Palestine marches alongside well meaning middle class girls called jacinda. Not even trying to hide his hate

Hes honestly despicable

 

[Kurt.]

I’ve never understood the appeal of joining the army personally. Signing my life away for a few years with the real possibility that I’d get sent away as cannon fodder to protect some rich person’s claim to a bit of oil somewhere ….. nah, not my cup of tea