Current Affairs UK General Election July

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Amw79 said:
Easy for upper and upper-middle class people, who went from private school straight to Oxford University, and in the PMs case then into a job at Goldman Sachs, to say to the great unwashed - “you need to do a years national service to give you direction and make you Patriotic”.
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Worst case scenario swing even further right, no matter how much you have failed or been proven wrong. Get on that right wing circuit denying science and hoover up those american talking tours.
 
In Estonia national service has been a thing for a long time, and they recently modified it so that people with an interest in IT can join the cyber defence part of the military.

www.educationestonia.org

Cybersecurity education: Estonian innovative solution for IT students

In Estonia vocational IT students can pass military service in the Cyber Command Forces as part of cybersecurity education.
www.educationestonia.org www.educationestonia.org

I know the people behind this and they say the scheme works well and has helped address the skills shortage in cybersecurity more broadly in the country. Finland operates a similar scheme, which given that they routinely top both the PISA education rankings and the global happiness index doesn't quite paint the picture of childhoods being destroyed.

Obviously if the Tories are in charge then it's almost certain to be ballsed up, but still, the apparent hysteria does seem somewhat over the top and I hope we're not going to have another 6 weeks of this.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
This is part of the problem. People don't actually bother to read as it's much easier to just get outraged instead. There will be 30,000 positions in the military via this scheme, with people applying for it. So it will be the minority who are sufficiently motivated who would go down that path, with the majority of others doing voluntary work somewhere.

It may still be a rubbish idea, but it's also not quite like the vision people are getting wound up by. We get the politicians we deserve, and if we're too lazy to read beyond headlines, then we'll get the populist bellends we deserve.
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Anybody who wants to join up can do it now. There’s nothing to stop anyone if they feel like it. It’s just a gimmick to get the “ Sunday Mail “ readers excited. I’m interested to see how the “ voluntary/compulsory “ bit is going to work and how much it’s going to cost to enforce/organise it.
 
It'd be better if the idiots funded the military, and other services, properly. Start by giving back the 25% cut from the forces and build from there.

Forget this NS narrative, it should be shut down before people breathe life into it. As LL said earlier, it'd be our kids that would up in difficulty whilst the Eton crowd would given another way to party.
 
Ming the merciless said:
Anybody who wants to join up can do it now. There’s nothing to stop anyone if they feel like it. It’s just a gimmick to get the “ Sunday Mail “ readers excited. I’m interested to see how the “ voluntary/compulsory “ bit is going to work and how much it’s going to cost to enforce/organise it.
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My understanding of the Estonian scheme is that it's attractive because it's not saying to young people you need to make a career in the military, but rather you can use the military to dip your toes in and gain what is hopefully valuable experience. You can then choose whether to stay on or deploy those skills elsewhere.
 
Ming the merciless said:
Anybody who wants to join up can do it now. There’s nothing to stop anyone if they feel like it. It’s just a gimmick to get the “ Sunday Mail “ readers excited. I’m interested to see how the “ voluntary/compulsory “ bit is going to work and how much it’s going to cost to enforce/organise it.
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I don't think you can just sign up and then easily get out of it after a short amount of time though?

I'm not looking at it as something to punish them or purely to instil discipline to the wayward kids. I'm thinking that eventually they could be conscripted anyhow and then have to learn the basics under the most extreme circumstances and be shipped of to fight asap. Giving them a chance to prepare and train without the threat of war is going to be the best for their own survival if it did all go South later on.
 
Bring back National Service.
I mean, what kind of bubble do these people live in, honestly!
Bring back the birch or hanging will be next.
 
The binman chronicles said:
This is why the tories have been in power for 14 years though despite being an absolute disaster. Unless you are voting tactically to block a Tory win in your constituency, which is more likely going to be a vote for Liberal than an independent, then you'll eventually get a right wing party instead of a centre (soft left) one. I know which one I would prefer.

If you are hoping that other people throw the Tories out, what if they all think like you?
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Starmer's economic and foreign policies are practically identical to the Tories. He's been a Tory cheerleader at times, told his MP's to abstain on helping to feed children in poverty. The Tories even raised the Min Wage to higher than Starmer wanted and even fascists like Braverman thinks the 2 child cap on benefits should be lifted, unlike Starmer.

What's the difference between the Tories and this Labour party mate?

The reason the Tories have been in power is thanks to Starmer. He won't say whether he'd of preferred a Labour Government led by Corbyn or a Tory Government. Of course we know the answer to that as he helped sabotage the 2019 GE (he was probably involved in the 2017 sabotage as well) for his own career ambitions. In Scotland, Edinburgh region iirc, he refused to do a deal and allowed 2 Tory MP's to get in power.

I want a hung parliament with Labour having to form a Government with left wing parties and Independents to keep them in check. It will kill Starmer not being able to do it with the Tories.

It's people like the person your advocating that I vote for that is the reason the Tories been in power so long.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
In Estonia national service has been a thing for a long time, and they recently modified it so that people with an interest in IT can join the cyber defence part of the military.

www.educationestonia.org

Cybersecurity education: Estonian innovative solution for IT students

In Estonia vocational IT students can pass military service in the Cyber Command Forces as part of cybersecurity education.
www.educationestonia.org www.educationestonia.org

I know the people behind this and they say the scheme works well and has helped address the skills shortage in cybersecurity more broadly in the country. Finland operates a similar scheme, which given that they routinely top both the PISA education rankings and the global happiness index doesn't quite paint the picture of childhoods being destroyed.

Obviously if the Tories are in charge then it's almost certain to be ballsed up, but still, the apparent hysteria does seem somewhat over the top and I hope we're not going to have another 6 weeks of this.
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I'm sure the private school kids might end up doing cyber security etc... placements.
 
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