Current Affairs UK General Election July

Status
Not open for further replies.
The binman chronicles said:
While I don't like the thought of mandatory 2 year NS being made a legal requirement, there is a possibility that something needs to be done given the precarious state of the world at the moment. A million or so 'reserve' troops who are trained would act as a deterrent if nothing else. If something kicks off in 10 years time it's not like we didn't see the warning signs coming so doing nothing and hoping it doesn't isn't a real option.

I would like it to be shorter, perhaps take in vocational education at the same time, lose the hand to hand/knife combat and kill or be killed mentality training elements, as we don't want to have thousands of young men who can take people apart in a pub fight.

At the end of it they would have the ability to take apart and fire guns, work tanks and other heavy machinery, with maintenance and servicing knowledge, fly drones and so on. They'd come out with a vocation certificate, hopefully an understanding of the importance of exercise, good diet and discipline. If they could handsomely paid (for a teenager) for a positive experience that someone would actually like to do then it could be beneficial to all. If called up (hopefully volunteered) they could have the refresher and combat training and they would be ready to go in the fastest possible time frame.

The issue is they probably won't do any of that so it will just be standard recruit training and I'm not up for that. As with any idea it's all in the detail and execution.
Click to expand...
All it will do is give loud mouth 'patriots' the chance to bleat about the good old days (that they played no part in) and discipline, it will give the army a pool of people who have experienced menial aspects of army life and who will want nothing to do with it and voluntary agencies (and everyone else) a headache of administration.
 
Jebus_lives said:
All it will do is give loud mouth 'patriots' the chance to bleat about the good old days (that they played no part in) and discipline, it will give the army a pool of people who have experienced menial aspects of army life and who will want nothing to do with it and voluntary agencies (and everyone else) a headache of administration.
Click to expand...
My old man did national service. Reckoned he mostly peeled potatoes, played football and got pissed.

Sounds like the University of life, right there.
 
Jebus_lives said:
All it will do is give loud mouth 'patriots' the chance to bleat about the good old days (that they played no part in) and discipline, it will give the army a pool of people who have experienced menial aspects of army life and who will want nothing to do with it and voluntary agencies (and everyone else) a headache of administration.
Click to expand...

It's all about delivery in the end. What you say could be very true but my version would be nothing like standard army training. Different location, different attitude, think summer camp with a bit more discipline rather than Drill Sargent shouting at you at 04:00.
 
Amw79 said:
Can imagine a load of older giffers loving this, ‘making these feckless youngsters do a bit of proper service’, despite the fact they never did themselves, and got a job straight from school.
Click to expand...
By my reckoning you’d have to about 80 years old now to have done National Service. I’m 75 and it was abolished way before my time. Lots of the older guys I worked with had done National Service and 90 % of them said it was a waste of time that buggered up the start of their working life. They were in the main engineers and you could postpone being called up until you were 21 and “ out of your time “ back then.
 
Ming the merciless said:
By my reckoning you’d have to about 80 years old now to have done National Service. I’m 75 and it was abolished way before my time. Lots of the older guys I worked with had done National Service and 90 % of them said it was a waste of time that buggered up the start of their working life. They were in the main engineers and you could postpone being called up until you were 21 and “ out of your time “ back then.
Click to expand...
Yeah, my old man would be 86 if he were still alive, think he said it didn't remain much longer after he'd done it. Sounds familiar re: age as he'd done an apprenticeship in engineering.
 
Ming the merciless said:
By my reckoning you’d have to about 80 years old now to have done National Service. I’m 75 and it was abolished way before my time. Lots of the older guys I worked with had done National Service and 90 % of them said it was a waste of time that buggered up the start of their working life. They were in the main engineers and you could postpone being called up until you were 21 and “ out of your time “ back then.
Click to expand...
Yeah can't remember my grand parents saying anything positive about it, seems to be some of the generation after who get misty eyed about it and all the wars they never thought in. It's a very odd syndrome
 
The binman chronicles said:
While I don't like the thought of mandatory 2 year NS being made a legal requirement, there is a possibility that something needs to be done given the precarious state of the world at the moment. A million or so 'reserve' troops who are trained would act as a deterrent if nothing else. If something kicks off in 10 years time it's not like we didn't see the warning signs coming so doing nothing and hoping it doesn't isn't a real option.

I would like it to be shorter, perhaps take in vocational education at the same time, lose the hand to hand/knife combat and kill or be killed mentality training elements, as we don't want to have thousands of young men who can take people apart in a pub fight.

At the end of it they would have the ability to take apart and fire guns, work tanks and other heavy machinery, with maintenance and servicing knowledge, fly drones and so on. They'd come out with a vocation certificate, hopefully an understanding of the importance of exercise, good diet and discipline. If they could handsomely paid (for a teenager) for a positive experience that someone would actually like to do then it could be beneficial to all. If called up (hopefully volunteered) they could have the refresher and combat training and they would be ready to go in the fastest possible time frame.

The issue is they probably won't do any of that so it will just be standard recruit training and I'm not up for that. As with any idea it's all in the detail and execution.
Click to expand...
This is part of the problem. People don't actually bother to read as it's much easier to just get outraged instead. There will be 30,000 positions in the military via this scheme, with people applying for it. So it will be the minority who are sufficiently motivated who would go down that path, with the majority of others doing voluntary work somewhere.

It may still be a rubbish idea, but it's also not quite like the vision people are getting wound up by. We get the politicians we deserve, and if we're too lazy to read beyond headlines, then we'll get the populist bellends we deserve.
 
Walken said:
Not satisfied with stealing young folks future, they want their youth as well
Click to expand...

Easy for upper and upper-middle class people, who went from private school straight to Oxford University, and in the PMs case then into a job at Goldman Sachs, to say to the great unwashed - “you need to do a years national service to give you direction and make you Patriotic”.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

→ Log in 🔑 Register
🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top