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is that a comparable situation?
no evidence that this works
Stop changing the question, which I answered; there IS documented proof that prompt severe punishment works for knife crime...and, by extension, maybe all crime, but I'll limit it to knife crime for now.

Opinion not fact; The only thing that stops the authorities nicking everybody with a knife and giving them a big sentence is the cost of:
a) keeping them in prison
and
b) of building more new prisons
 
Stop changing the question, which I answered; there IS documented proof that prompt severe punishment works for knife crime...and, by extension, maybe all crime, but I'll limit it to knife crime for now.

Opinion not fact; The only thing that stops the authorities nicking everybody with a knife and giving them a big sentence is the cost of:
a) keeping them in prison
and
b) of building more new prisons


I think its fair to suggest that crime in the interwar period and punishment thereof is different to crime now and response to it, thought it was pretty obvious i was referring to crime/punishment now or at least in the modern era
 
In one of my previous jobs I had a lot of dealing with Social Workers, who dealt with these kids and their families.

They would never say this " on record " and they were very careful who they said it to, but a lot of them believed that the only answer was taking these kids off their parents whilst there was a chance that they could be saved and their lives turned round.

It`s sad that they thought like that, but I`m guessing that they had just been " ground down " by their experiences.
 
I think its fair to suggest that crime in the interwar period and punishment thereof is different to crime now and response to it, thought it was pretty obvious i was referring to crime/punishment now or at least in the modern era
People don't change, the phrase "pour décourager les autres" goes back along way and was as valid then as it is now.
Nick enough of the idiots, punish them and the message will get through...cost and modern era snowflake sensibilities won't allow it though.
 
There are numerous studies which have examined the relation between stricter sentences and a reduction in crime and come to the conclusion that there is no correlation between the two. Im sure there are also some studies which state the opposite but the view that they don't reduce crime seems to have more backing from what I've read... it also backs up the views of many offenders who say that tougher sentences wouldn't have prevented them committing the crime.
 
In one of my previous jobs I had a lot of dealing with Social Workers, who dealt with these kids and their families.

They would never say this " on record " and they were very careful who they said it to, but a lot of them believed that the only answer was taking these kids off their parents whilst there was a chance that they could be saved and their lives turned round.

It`s sad that they thought like that, but I`m guessing that they had just been " ground down " by their experiences.

Problem is they haven't in the past fared any better when in care.

I recently received a request for historic info regarding 2 kids I worked with in the past who are on the verge of being taken into care. It was obvious years ago there were huge issues in the family and this was the likely result. So they're likely to be taken into care because of the inadequacy of the care their family provide. However, go a bit further back and you find mum was in care, her siblings adopted due to their mother being an addict. Taking her into care hasn't stopped the cycle, but she clearly couldn't stay with her family - a situation now about to repeat itself. Truly depressing stuff.
 
Problem is they haven't in the past fared any better when in care.

I recently received a request for historic info regarding 2 kids I worked with in the past who are on the verge of being taken into care. It was obvious years ago there were huge issues in the family and this was the likely result. So they're likely to be taken into care because of the inadequacy of the care their family provide. However, go a bit further back and you find mum was in care, her siblings adopted due to their mother being an addict. Taking her into care hasn't stopped the cycle, but she clearly couldn't stay with her family - a situation now about to repeat itself. Truly depressing stuff.

I think what they were alluding to was taking the kids away and them being adopted, rather than being put in care mate.
 
I think what they were alluding to was taking the kids away and them being adopted, rather than being put in care mate.
They don't go straight to adoption though. Initially they would go into foster care or be placed in the care of another family member - for how long depends on all sorts of things. The problem often, as your previous acquaintances identified, is the length of time it can take to reach this stage. There has been, in my experience, a reluctance to take children from their families and an emphasis on working with families. There are good reasons for this but sadly in some cases it's not helpful for the children in the long run, just delaying the inevitable whilst more damage is done to them. Its a very difficult area for lots of complex reasons but what some of these kids have to live with and for how long beggars belief. There's plenty of room for improvement.

Oh, and TV series - started watching the expanse. I like sci fi - will stick with it I think.
 

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