Truly world class.........?

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Anyone in the team of 1984-85,it was labelled by the media the team with no stars, but for me any of them could have fitted into a World XI that season they were THAT good,I know my eyes didn't deceive me as I watched virtually every home/away game that fantastic season:)

Lucky you Dario !

I cant say I saw a world class Everton player live I had rotten luck , went to see the 69/70 side with Dad and Uncle Frank but was too young to appreciate from the pen , Dad emigrated us in 72 , I came back again 77 to 82 , emigrated again 82 so missed two great teams
 
Kevin Ratcliffe deserves a mention. He may not have had the silky skills of some centre-halves but as a defender he was as good as any. His pace enabled that team to play the way it did. After his injury his limitations were shown up and we couldn't play the same way again.
 
The thing about Bobby Collins is that he was the signing at Everton that heralded the 'modern 'era ..a versatile player in his position and one who was the fulcrum of everything we did ...not particularly quick but an amazing positional sense and game reading talent(Ball was similar in this respect). A lot of his time was spent in the centre circle controlling the game(something the late period Rooney did, but not quite as well) At the time, I would say that peak Collins was bordering on genuine World Class. Collins could be the fox in the box when needed, and I remember one lovely back heeled goal at the Park End. Unlike Young, Collins could mix it with the hard defenders and had a touch of snide about him. One of the absolute key signings in the history of Everton.
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Bobby Collins ahead of Scotland's clash with England at Wembley in 1965

Bobby Collins stood just five feet four inches in his stockinged feet – but such was his enormous influence on the football teams he graced he was dubbed the ‘Pocket Napoleon.’

Bought by Everton FC for £23,500 in September 1958, he enjoyed four inspirational seasons at Goodison before Harry Catterick made a rare transfer blunder.

With Collins then 31, and Catterick of the belief that the fiery playmaker’s talents were on the wane, he sold him to Leeds United for £30,000.

He would make a similar mistake 10 years later with a star of similar influence, the talismanic Alan Ball.

Don Revie believed Collins could be the centre point of his emerging Leeds team, while Bill Shankly put in a last minute bid to try and lure him to Anfield.

Six months later Shankly tried again, but by this time Revie was drooling over the qualities of a man he labelled “my teacher on the pitch. Far from finished, Collins-

was still improving.

A portrait of Bobby Collins during his days playing inside-left for Everton FC

He served the Yorkshiremen for five years, earned a Scotland recall and was voted Footballer of the Year in 1965.

He continued to play professionally until the age of 42, ending his career with Oldham Athletic, then after spells as manager of Huddersfield, Hull City and Barnsley he pulled on his boots again and continued to play – vigorously – at amateur level into his 60s.

But his four inspirational years at Everton earned him the undying affection of Evertonians.

The Toffees, rudderless after the sacking of manager Ian Buchan, had lost six games in a row before Collins signed from Celtic.

On his debut he inspired Everton to a 3-1 defeat of Manchester City and The Football ECHO prophetically declared: “First appearances suggest that Collins will be worth every penny of his transfer fee and although one man may not be the complete answer to Everton’s troubles, he can go a great part of the way to restoring Everton’s glamour.” He did.

After 10 goals in his debut season, he top scored the following campaign and by the early 60s had helped propel Johnny Carey’s emerging side up to fifth and then fourth place finishes.

Collins fired a hat-trick in Carey’s final match as manager, a 5-1 drubbing of Cardiff City, but the incoming boss had his own ideas of which direction he wanted to take Everton.

Dennis Stevens was signed less than 12 months later to replace Collins, who remained typically modest about his talents.

“I couldn’t have been that good,” he joked “because they won the League the next season!”

Everton did lift the League title, but Bobby Collins was that good.

And he is still very fondly remembered at Goodison Park.

Bobby Collins February 16th 1931 – January 13 2014, aged 82.
 
There isn’t a definitive definition of “world class”, so, all said and done, these lists of players are subjective.

Ball
Southall
Lineker

Before or after Everton

Jennings
Gascoigne
Rooney
Eto’o

Unsure which category to put Peter Beardsley in. In my opinion, he was undoubtedly world class in the eighties, but was probably a little past his best by the time he played for us. Still brilliant, mind.
 
jags and lescott were for me the best centre half pairing in the league at the time, neither were world class tho. lescott is probs the best cb weve had since the 80's id say

I know he was old but Gough was quality for us as was Watson , lescott was a beast tho I agree
 
There isn’t a definitive definition of “world class”, so, all said and done, these lists of players are subjective.

Ball
Southall
Lineker

Before or after Everton

Jennings
Gascoigne
Rooney
Eto’o

Unsure which category to put Peter Beardsley in. In my opinion, he was undoubtably world class in the eighties, but was probably a little past his best by the time he played for us. Still brilliant, mind.

I do t think Beardsley was past his best tbh, makes selling him for 1m and hoping to buy doin Dublin even more criminal . He was magnificent at Newcastle after he left
 
One of my all round Everton favourites Bobby Collins, dragged Everton up from a very poor team to the edge of greatness, before he was sold too soon, one of Harry Catterick’s rare mistakes, still a bit short of world class, but it is all about opinions.
The point is Cam, some players have that simple but elegant efficienct capacity that functions at the same personal level what ever level they end up at.
Your Collins, McGoverns, Reids, Kantes at lower levels while not obviously standout world class do, if they are lucky and get in the right team, have within them that capacity to do 'just what they do' no matter how high they go with good players around them.
They (would) fit in a world class teams so seamlessly that they aquire world class and that world class team is often the poorer when they are absent...and if a world class team is poorer without them???
 
As for the definition of world class - maybe a player most pundits / fans would consider one of the best in world at any particular moment in time. So whilst we love Baines I don't think he is in that category
 
For me Wilson, Ball, from what family say. From personal experience Southall and Lineker. Don't think any others qualify - lots of great players ( see 85 team).
 
World class?

Neville Southall
Can say our only consistently World Class player, over years. (since 1980's) obviously Dixie, Alan Ball would have been but I didn't see them play. Lineker but only stayed for a year. Rooney was still potentially World class when he left.

Gazza on occasions but not consistantly
 
As with all things a lot depends on the definition. Lots say a player who could get into any team in the world. Others might say capable of winning a game for a team, or someone who performs in the biggest of games. Others may look to consistency over a period or "numbers" showing up. Me I like the idea of a "wow" factor. Each of the above criteria throws up different names really.

There's little doubt Baines was one of the best fullbacks in the world while here, but he probably didn't have the wow factor of say a Rooney. He also didn't turn up in big games in a way that say a Ferguson, Cahill or Kanchelskis did. Of the teams I've watched I'd probably only say Baines, maybe Kanchelskis were close to being good enough to get in any team in the world.

As for Wow factor, for me it will always be Rooney in his first spell here. The numbers don't really show it up, but beyond the numbers he put in some incredible displays. The fact Manchester United (champions) went in to Alex Ferguson and told him to sign him as they couldn't get near him in a game (in the same way they did with Roanldo) indicates that.

You see the player who broke into the England team in 2004, around better players and the impact he initially had and you saw the all-round player. I'll never forget the home games against Bolton, or that match against Manchester United where he just ran the game. There was one away at Leicester when we went down to 10 men, where he was brilliant as well. Ironically we didn't win any of those games but he was top class.

Lets put it this way,not only did he have a wow factor, but I'd also say that he would have got a place in any of our title winning teams in some position or other.
 
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