WOW, NEVER knew about this. Can't beat a bit of hypocrisy
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I am really surprised there has not been more reaction from China's neighbours about their S China sea claims and their building of Islands. Brunei, Indonesia, Philippines , Vietnam and Taiwan all have claims that are being totally denied by China. Also, as said, the US are very keen on exercising their right to sail through these waters when ever they want.
China also keen to whip Taiwan back into shape in the near future and are fuming at their near democratic status and the seed it may sow on mainland China.
ONly a small spark anywhere in the region could see mad kick offs. TBH, it would play into the US hands, I am surprised they are not more active in stirring things up.
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Well they are selling another $7Bn worth of military hardware to Taiwan.......
Win win for them
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In 1992-4, Armenian forces took control not just of Nagorno-Karabakh itself but, in whole or part, seven ordinary Azerbaijani districts, causing a humanitarian catastrophe as they drove more than half a million Azerbaijanis from their homes. Initially, Armenian leaders said they had just temporarily captured a “buffer zone”. But over the years they have begun to indicate that they do not plan to give these regions back, calling them “liberated” and allowing about 17,000 Armenian settlers to set up home there.
This bit usually gets lost. A very important twist actually. From this piece
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This bit usually gets lost. A very important twist actually. From this piece
War has broken out on the edge of Europe. What's behind it? | Thomas de Waal
The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is a mostly forgotten tragedy, with high human cost and a labyrinth of differing viewpoints, says author Thomas de Waal
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In 1992-4, Armenian forces took control not just of Nagorno-Karabakh itself but, in whole or part, seven ordinary Azerbaijani districts, causing a humanitarian catastrophe as they drove more than half a million Azerbaijanis from their homes. Initially, Armenian leaders said they had just temporarily captured a “buffer zone”. But over the years they have begun to indicate that they do not plan to give these regions back, calling them “liberated” and allowing about 17,000 Armenian settlers to set up home there.
This bit usually gets lost. A very important twist actually. From this piece
War has broken out on the edge of Europe. What's behind it? | Thomas de Waal
The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is a mostly forgotten tragedy, with high human cost and a labyrinth of differing viewpoints, says author Thomas de Waal
Those 17,000 settlers would be the armed forces and their families who have to be the first line of defence in case of an Azeri push.
It is something that needs to be sorted though. If NKR is deemed as a legitimate independent country then the buffer zone should be handed back, however the side nearest Armenia they would be silly to give back as would you want to be completely surrounded within a country that has eyes on claiming it?
Nakhchivan was originally given to the Armenians by the British but the people chose to be part of the Azerbaijan SSR. Least they have a border with Turkey and Iran, can you imagime the difficulties if it was completely within Armenia?
Anyhow all the people of Nagorno-Karabakh want is the same that was awarded to Nakhchivan, to be an autonomous republic of Armenia or it's own country. The land was given to the Azeri's by the Soviets but the population never wanted that. Can you see the same scenario but two totally different outcomes all due to how Azerbaijan doesn't accept the situation. There are no winners and losers here, just losers until that happens.
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I caught an azeri news programme the other day and they were showing the same thing over and over and they had 4/5 guests on and they were all laughing. I don't know what they were saying but when it comes to war usually there is a solemness about the whole thing. Not on display here...
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what is the point of all this sometimes I ask myself. Can't we just get along?
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My wife's nan used to live in Baku, spoke Azeri (which means her mum also speaks it too) and by all accounts this wasn't uncommon back then. When the war started then the Armenians had flee with very little which is the same as the Azeri's who lived in Nagorno-Karabakh I suppose.
If the Azeri's had let the region go when the USSR broke up they would have had more land than they have now, the Azeri's who wanted to stay in Karabakh would have stayed. The Armenians living in the rest of Azerbaijan would have carried on as normal and there wouldn't have been 30 years of both sides learning to hate each other.
As the video in your post shows, we are not born with these prejudices. I know a few Russians whose families are from Azerbaijan and Armenia and they get on fine too and hope the violence will end. It's actually a crime that both sides are taught to hate each other in schools, within the media. It's the politicians they should be angry with not the people themselves. They used to live perfectly happily together.
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Özil weighs in
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Tell you what...Armenian first lady Anna Hakobyan is fit...
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that wasnt the angle of the photo I ve seen matey
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